User:Ed Poor

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About me

Hi, my name is Ed Poor and I'm a former developer, admin & bureaucrat from Wikipedia.

I know quite a bit about the internal workings of Wikipedia: the database structure, formatting, templates, dispute procedures, content and style guidelines; and, oh, yes, all the politics and gossip of the first few years.

Dpbsmith asked me to come over, so here I am. I'm finding the environment much more congenial.

My chief aim here is to facilitate the highest standards of encyclopedia development.

I was one of the earliest members of the Wikipedia project (UserID #188). I helped institute the following practices or software features there:

Ed poor in Newark
  • Marking edits as 'patrolled' (co-conceived with Maveric who in one marathon period personally checked every Wikipedia edit for vandalism!)
  • Ability of blocked users to edit their own user talk page
  • Community ban - i.e., increased authority for sysops to block a disruptive user
  • The practice of bureaucrats "running" for office (I was the first one elected, when as a developer I could simply have granted myself the rights)

Pages I'm proud of there:

Favorite contributors

This is a partial list. Don't get all bent out of shape because I haven't placed your name here (yet). :-) And it's not in any particular order.

A new role

To my surprise and pleasure, I was voted in as a sysop here - reportedly it was unanimous. Thank you for your support.

I believe that users who are here to contribute should get a helping hand, and those who cannot or will not make useful contributions should be shown to the door. But since, "His mercy is forever sure", I don't like applying infinite bans; it's always possible for a person to make up his mind to take a new direction. (I'm currently chewing some tough pills supplied by User:TK, so watch out.)

I've unprotected a handful of pages and am watching them. I have hopes that eventually all content pages can be freely edited, once they reach a mature and stable state.


Welcome, I'm Dan. I see that you have made many great article improvements in your week here. MountainDew 17:45, 26 March 2007 (EDT)

Thanks, Dan. I try. And I've learned a lot from watching you. --Ed Poor 18:50, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

Ideas I'm looking at

  • Objectivity
  • Science and scientists
    • How much trust do they deserve?
  • Chilling effect
    • There is little present on this site that is in any way objective or scientific. The very fear that anything could get edited out for ideologic reasons puts a chill on what is published
  • Clarity: An encyclopedia should not use made-up, unclear terms. [1]
  • Popularity
    • of certain articles
    • of the project as a whole
    • Are they just laughing at us out there? (See 'liberal bias' below)
  • Standards of conduct:
    1. for sysops
      • Not arbitrarily banning users
    2. for ordinary users
  • Collaboration
    • Agreeing to disagree
    • NPOV
    • Compromise
  • Registration
    Registration is closed late at night and early morning (Eastern Time). It's open during the day and early evening. Also, you can email the webmaster or User:Aschlafly (he's at aol) for manual accounts.
  • Leadership
  • Basis for inclusion of material
    • Must be well-cited
    • Are alternative ideas being censored?
  • Smear terms [3]

I hope this is the right way to respond to you

Ed, I was a Wiki-newbie when I got the boot, so I'm still fairly new to this whole process. I noticed your words of encouragement regarding Intelligent Design and I wanted to drop a quick reply. I hope I'm not vandalizing your page and I hope this is the proper way to reply to someone. I'm not an Intelligent Design expert. I am an editor and a nationally published writer. My comments at the Wikipedia ID page were primarily to point out logical/grammatical/fairness issues. I'm happy to help edit and I think the creation of this site is important for our children. If you need a minion to do some editing let me know. Everwill 07:22, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

Many are the volunteers clamoring to become one of my teeming minions. ;-)


I be there. Crackertalk

Science Classroom

I have a proposal to open a science classroom. The idea is to have experts in science (and I mean standard, practical science) answer basic science questions. It would not be a place for ideologues to leave their views or smear others. It would not be a place for non-mainstream science, e.g. it is still not considered mainstream, it needs its own classroom. For example, someone could ask how scienice explains "x", and someone could give the standard answer. If anyone is interested in collaborating, especially wikigeeks who would have an idea how to set it up, let me know.--PalMDtalk 12:35, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

I trust you...--PalMDtalk 10:07, 2 April 2007 (EDT)

It's Not Fear

Don't say you fear it but something like this: Please include this information; or, According to (blank) McCarthy did (this action) which had (that result). We're not afraid of ideas here. It's not like some children's school library that censors Uncle Tom's Cabin or Huckleberry Finn because it might have a scary or offense passage. But like a library, there's a certain standard of decorum. --Ed Poor 16:02, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

If fear is not a factor, it's certainly odd that I get so very few answers to simple and direct questions. It's also odd that so much of what I posted to the McCarthy article, all of which was cited and factual, was removed. --PF Fox 18:37, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

Without having looked at the edits... and without knowing your opinions of McCarthy... let me say that it is perfectly possible for things to be "cited and factual," yet tendentious. A good example would be the initial version of the article on Brown University. Take a look at it: it is completely factual and almost completely cited (and a citation for the "slavery" section is easily found). I say this because whenever someone says "everything I added was cited and factual," it always raised a bit of a red flag in my mind. Now let me go look at those edits... Dpbsmith 13:50, 1 April 2007 (EDT) OK, I see your point. Dpbsmith 13:55, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

It's nice to know that somebody here does. Too bad it won't change anything. --PF Fox 22:25, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

Re: Tone and content of comments

Thanks for the suggestion. I wasn't attacking him, I was genuinely amused by the fact that that was not immediately reverted, and especially with an edit summary like it was given. Liπus the Turbogeek(contact me) 10:28, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

Joy, fun and expressions of amusement are always welcome. See also the emerging Conservapedia:Civility discussion. --Ed Poor 15:34, 2 April 2007 (EDT)


I just resize image to less than 150kb, then try use random combination of letters as filenames, such as 56335.jpg or uuy587.jpg, usully works in less than 4 tries. Actully, this problem should be fixed on the server side, instead of requiring users to use stupid hacks. Jaques 14:01, 2 April 2007 (EDT)