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:::Interesting.  I was originally suspicious (due to the user name), but he seemed to be on the level.  This goes to show what happens when I don't pay attention for two weeks.  Thanks for the link! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 00:32, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Interesting.  I was originally suspicious (due to the user name), but he seemed to be on the level.  This goes to show what happens when I don't pay attention for two weeks.  Thanks for the link! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 00:32, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:I was more than suspicious and said so months ago (somewhere - I can't find it now.) I had various tos and fros with him and asked for help re [[Hilaire Belloc]] a number of times. You and your mates were more interested in nailing Liberals than housekeeping. Only Progressingamerica answered.
So... tomorrow... or whenever....when I finally manage to get myself together after a major injury to my wife, I will get into this with a degree of gusto. I will say only one thing now...that Abcque was allowed to do what he did for so long by the sheer ignorance or lack of will of so called senior editors of CP.  [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 02:57, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
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What do you think of this edit?[1] --1990'sguy (talk) 17:30, 28 March 2017 (EDT)

I don't quite know what to think. The grammar is pretty bad, for sure. As for the content, I do not really understand the difference, so I can't say if it is true or not. I was rather hoping someone with a better understanding of the factions would review it. Do you have any idea of its acuracy? In the meantime, I'll try a more rounabout approach. --David B (TALK) 18:20, 28 March 2017 (EDT)

move request / delete request

I think I've put in the correct template notices, but it seems that communicating with you directly. as the "mover/deleter-in-chief" is more effective.

Please delete Spacetime and rename Curvature of spacetime on top of it.

SamHB (talk) 12:01, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

Yes, the templates look right. I'd be happy to help (and you did get a chuckle out of me with "mover/deleter-in-chief") but unfortunately, I cannot delete pages. I can move, but that's all. I'll ask someone else to delete it, then do the move unless they do it before me. --David B (TALK) 15:36, 7 April 2017 (EDT)
Okay, done --David B (TALK) 20:26, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

"Dewey Defeats Truman"

I already asked Andy, but is there any way to find or upload old newspaper articles, particularly the 1948 "Dewey Defeats Truman" Chicago Tribune article (not the fMous image, but the actual article)? --1990'sguy (talk) 23:01, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

The problem is that the newspaper itself is copyrighted, as far as I know. If we could get written permission from the Chicago Tribune, that would be ideal. Otherwise, we can only go down the slippy slope of "Fair use." I'll try to do a little research, but I don't know if there is much we can do other than linking to the image/article directly. --David B (TALK) 00:51, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
The Harry Truman article has several newspaper images displayed on it (unfortunately, not the "Dewey wins" one). Is there any difference with those, or were those mistakenly uploaded? --1990'sguy (talk) 11:15, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
Hmmm... good point. They claimed "fair use." I know WP uses copyrighted things with impunity, just claiming it is "fair use." However, i don't really know what legal ground they have to stand on. That's why I usually differ to Mr. Schlafly on Fair Use topics. it occurs to me that the Chicago Tribune might have some published terms of use. If we could find those, it might help. --David B (TALK) 14:28, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
The proposed use of the photo to decorate the Fake News article would not be fair use. If you had a discussion of the Tribune or of the photo itself, that could potentially be a fair use. If I were the permissions editor of the Tribune (a company that currently operates a for-profit website), I would not give you permission to use the photo on an article that calls it (and the Tribune) "fake news." Again, there are several copyrights involved, the photographer's, the underlying newspaper, and anyone who altered or "touched up" the photo since it was taken. JDano (talk) 15:08, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
I had a feeling it would not--you're right, especially if we are asking so we can essentially berate them, it would not be in their best interests to agree. Thanks for the input! --David B (TALK) 15:30, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

Conservapedia IRC channel

I don't think the IRC channel is active anymore.

I could be wrong, but I think IRC channels make your computer very susceptible to malware attacks. I think a weekly or biweekly Skype conference chat would be better for those who are interested. Skype is a very secular network. Conservative (talk) 12:02, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

I could also be wrong, but I'm not aware of any penetration risks with IRC. The beauty of IRC is its simplicity--there are no local scripts, cross-site scripts, databases, or other fancy features--it's just text. IRC client programs should not have any significant computer access, so there shouldn't be much risk--I think. I did a little research, and couldn't find any articles on vulnerabilities either, but nothing it perfect.
The main thing is that not all IRC networks use encryption, so conversations may not be secure. However, IRC channels are usually intended to be public anyway, so that is not a major issue. Also, encryption can be set up if needed.
Anyway, Skype conferences could work, I suppose, although a scheduled occasional thing does not promote the casual conversation which can occur in IRC or some other chat room style place. Still, it might be a good chance for people to talk. If something like that is developed, I would be interested in joining. --David B (TALK) 02:58, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
Please set up a Conservapedia IRC channel. Conservapedia could use more of a sense of community. And then ask for the IRC channel to be mentioned on the main page. Conservative (talk) 12:01, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
Oh! okay, will do. I need to research a good network, since my old favorite has degenerated. I'll get back to you once its done. --David B (TALK) 12:55, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
Question: Should all users be required to register an IRC account before they can talk?
I'm setting up a channel which is not ready yet, so I don't want to post the info openly. I can e-mail it to you though, if you would like. If we decide to keep this, I'll also need to know who to set as IRC SysOps. I will be one automatically, since I'm creating it, but I can add others to several different permission levels. --David B (TALK) 13:44, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
Okay, I think I have something reasonably set up. It is #conservapedia @irc.AccessIRC.net
Thoughts? If you joint sometimes and register a nick, I can set you (and all other CP admins) to have SysOp rights. --David B (TALK) 14:48, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
Here is a web client link, too, if that's easier. --David B (TALK) 14:58, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

Image typo

Hello DavidB4, would you please move File:Donald Trump with Nei Gorsuch Jan. 31, 2017.jpg in order to correct my spelling error on Gorsuch's first name? After that, is it OK if you request Andy to delete the redirect, as well as the redirect "Fake news"? (for the latter, so Fake News -- notice the "N" -- can be moved there, per JDano's request). --1990'sguy (talk) 23:48, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

Of course, moved as requested. I'm sure it's fine to ask Andy--you can you it yourself, but I did it this time, since I'm already thinking about it anyway. --David B (TALK) 03:10, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
All done, with Andy's help! --David B (TALK) 13:02, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
Thanks! --1990'sguy (talk) 15:23, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

Merge cats?

Do you think Category:Weaponry and Category:Weapons should be merged together? Or should one of those cats become a subcategory of the other? Right now, they are not related in any way, other than having one of the same parent cats. --1990'sguy (talk) 13:44, 14 April 2017 (EDT)

That sounds like an excellent idea.... I don't see a difference either, so I agree that they should be merged. There's no need to make things more complicated than needed. --David B (TALK)

Would you also please move the article Occupy democrats so the "D" is capitalized? --1990'sguy (talk) 17:39, 17 April 2017 (EDT)

Good idea, thanks! --David B (TALK) 17:56, 17 April 2017 (EDT)

Moving Pages

I think there's a problem with some article names that you may be able to fix. One of the New Testament books is named Titus. However, the page on Titus on Conservapedia goes to a Roman emperor, not the biblical book. Instead, the New Testament books Conservapedia page is on Epistle to Titus, a rather awkward name to say the least.

So, I want to request you to move the page on the Roman emperor to a new article that should be titled Titus Flavius Vespasianus (the emperors full name), and Epistle to Titus should be moved to simply Titus. Thanks for reading.Korvex (talk) 23:29, 22 April 2017 (EDT)

Personally, I like the "Epistle of Titus" name. I think moving the article of the Roman emperor is a good idea, but I personally disagree with moving the article of the biblical book. I think that once the Roman emperor's article is moved, the "Titus" redirect should be re-redirected to "Epistle of Titus". --1990'sguy (talk) 23:36, 22 April 2017 (EDT)

I guess having a direct page works as well, but I'd prefer devoting a biblical book to its own name, 'epistle' of course is an interpretation.Korvex (talk) 10:15, 23 April 2017 (EDT)

I think it might be a bit presumptive to move Epistle to Titus to Titus, since "Titus" is a name used over and over. Perhaps a disambiguation page would be appropriate under that name? A redirect would work also, as 1990'sguy suggested, but if we do that, a disambiguation statement should probably be added to the top of Epistle to Titus. In any case, I agree on moving Titus to Titus Flavius Vespasianus, so I'll start with that. --David B (TALK) 23:09, 23 April 2017 (EDT)

Since you moved the Roman emperor to Titus Flavius Vespasianus, the article Titus has simply become nothing more than a redirect page to the Roman emperor. So I see no problem in simply moving Epistle to Titus to what is now a redirection page. I don't see any other type of article that could take up the Titus page, the biblical book seems to be the only one to warrant that name. So I'd still advocate my initial thoughts. Also -- not everyone may know what 'epistle' means, best to keep it simple.Korvex (talk) 16:46, 24 April 2017 (EDT)

I'm still torn was to which is the better option. However, a full admin must delete Titus before Epistle to Titus could be moved there anyway. I made Titus a disambiguation page, which is all I can do. If you want to get Epistle to Titus moved to Titus, you will need to ask an administrator, such as User:Jpatt, User:Karajou, or User:Aschlafly. I still haven't decided what's better, but it's out of my hands anyway. --David B (TALK) 17:43, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
I had presumed you were capable of moving pages. Anyways, I brought this to User:Jpatt.Korvex (talk) 20:24, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
You assumed correctly, but I can only move pages when there is nothing preexisting under the destination name. Since there was already a page under Titus, I cannot move anything on top of that. An administrator needs to delete the existing page first, before a move can be completed. I should have thought of that sooner. Anyway, sorry I can't help more, but let me know if there is anything else I can do! --David B (TALK) 22:19, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
You've already done enough by redirecting me to User:Jpatt. I made two requests to Jpatt, to move Epistle to Titus to Titus, and rename the page Queen Gorgo of Sparta to simply Gorgo of Sparta. Both requests have been granted, Titus is now a page for the biblical book, whereas Epistle to Titus simply redirects to the biblical book. All seems well now -- and thanks!Korvex (talk) 15:54, 25 April 2017 (EDT)

DavidB4, would you please move the article St Gall to St. Gallen? The latter is the correct name of the Swiss city. --1990'sguy (talk) 16:06, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

I would but now cannot, because the content has been copied over. A full admin will need to delete St. Gallen, revert the change to St Gall, then preform the move. --David B (TALK) 17:06, 27 April 2017 (EDT)
I've asked Jpatt to resolve this. See: User_talk:Jpatt#Moving_Pages --David B (TALK) 17:19, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

Hey David. Another request, if I may. Could you move Tiberius to Tiberius Caesar Augustus, the full name of the emperor, and make it so that Tiberius is simply a proper redirect page?Korvex (talk) 20:13, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

"Anti-Trump" article

Would you please move the article Anti-Trump to Never Trump movement? (is there supposed to be a space between "Never" and "Trump" or not?) This move would be to differentiate the movement from Opposition to Donald Trump. --1990'sguy (talk) 16:41, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

Done. Just because the "hash tag" does not have a space doesn't mean there shouldn't be one. I would say it should have a space, and a quick web search seemed to show that most other people feel the same. Cheers! --David B (TALK) 17:10, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

--David B (TALK) 01:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

Picture Upload Requests

Hi. Would it be possible to upload some of the following three pictures?


Thanks.Korvex (talk) 12:10, 7 May 2017 (EDT)

I would be happy to, but first I need license information. unless explicitly stated, all content musty be assumed to be under copyright. Is this info available somewhere? If not, can you perhaps find some suitable substitutes which are usable, from places like Wikimedia commons and Flickr? Thanks! --David B (TALK) 01:03, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

I've sent a message to the website requesting usage of these pictures. Hopefully I'll get a response soon.Korvex (talk) 16:00, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
Perfect, alright let me know what they say (if they do)! Also if they give the ok, it would be great if you could forward the message to davidb4-cp@archnet.us so I can document it. Thanks! --David B (TALK) 16:13, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
Thanks. Good news -- although I haven't received an e-mail from them back yet, some of the images I need turned out to be on Wikimedia Commons which I'm hoping you will be able to upload:
Of course, if I receive permission from magdala.org, that will give us access to some very high-quality image on a range of things regarding Magdala, which will be even better.Korvex (talk) 19:25, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
Great, yes I can do those right now. Uploaded as File:Israeli-Tiberias-Lake.jpg and File:Magdala Stone.jpg --David B (TALK) 23:00, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
Thanks! If I have any new requests, I'll just post them down here without further comment. For now;

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Galilee#/media/File:TiberiasNorthward.jpg Korvex (talk) 00:41, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

Uploaded as File:TiberiasNorthward.jpg. Feel free to ask me here, of course, but I also monitor Conservapedia:Image upload requests--you can ask there, as well. I'm not the only one to answer requests there, so you could get a faster response. Either is fine with me. --David B (TALK) 01:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
Gotcha! Thanks a lot.Korvex (talk) 16:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
Good news. I received a response e-mail from bibleplaces.com, a site that contains numerous very good photos on biblical locations. Accordingly, we can freely use up to 10 images from their website up to 400 pixels wide (the standard on bibleplaces.com). I will forward the response e-mail to you so that you can document it.Korvex (talk) 22:18, 11 May 2017 (EDT)
Great! Okay, thanks! Let me know which ones you want uploaded, too, whenever you pick them out (no rush).


Do you think this article has an appropriate quality for CP? I ask because the article creator is a liberal RW sysop who has brought his editing and writing style over to CP (though I think it's gotten better). --1990'sguy (talk) 16:03, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

I don't see any significant issues. Having two parenthetical remarks in the first sentence isn't ideal, but in regards to style, spelling, grammar, and notability, it looks ok to me. I haven't done research to verify the information, but assuming it is accurate, I think is should be fine. The only other thing I noticed was the use of parentheses inside of parentheses. Technically, brackets then braces should be used, but nowiki tags might be needed to make that work in some cases. --David B (TALK) 16:36, 9 May 2017 (EDT)


Hello. I was considering a move option for the page Exodus of Israel. I was thinking of moving this article to The Exodus, and using Exodus of Israel as a redirect to it. As of right now, it's the other way around, and I wanted your opinion on this. I find that The Exodus is a much simpler name and title for the page, and a title that more people will consider when thinking about this event ('the exodus'). As far as I'm concerned, few people would consider typing in 'Exodus of Israel' to get to the page (although there is a disambiguation to get there from Exodus). So, I thought that The Exodus would be a superior title, and thus we should move Exodus of Israel to The Exodus. So far, I've already asked the opinion of 1990'sguy. -Unsigned comment by Korvex

I think that while either might be acceptable, "Exodus of Israel" is better. Firstly, if someone types in "Exodus" they will see the result. Secondly, people familiar with the Bible my be familiar with "the exodus," but those who don't know the Bible may be confused. Exodus simply means to leave, usually in mass. While we know this is referring to the Israelites exiting Egypt, some may not. The current title is more precise, so my opinion is that the page should stay where it is. --David B (TALK) 17:32, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

Thanks for the thoughts. Just one issue I recently noted -- Acre is a page on the measurement, but it should be turned into a disambiguation page, because there's also a city in Israel called Acre. So, could you take care of that by moving the pages?Korvex (talk) 18:59, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

Any time! As for Acre, We can do that, but I wounder if that's necessary. Acre, Israel is somewhat of a minority topic. Besides the fact we don't have an article for the city, I suspect that most people search "arce" will be looking for the unit, not the place. Even WP has an article about the unit under the name "acre" (not that I want to use WP as a template for CP). We don't want to frustrate users with too many disambiguation pages, but we also don't want to make it hard to find minority pages, either. We could put a link at the top of "Acre" to "Acre, Israel" I suppose, too. Do you plan to write a page on the city? If not, then as bad as it sounds, we can put this problem off until later. If so, then we should figure out something. --David B (TALK) 23:48, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

Ref help and suggestion

I have a code problem with a reference. The URL for ref. 3 (GOP 2016 platform) on Donald Trump achievements: 2016 election and transition is correct, but it is weird and CP does not recognize it. It only considers part of the URL as the actual URL. Is there anything you can do to fix that, so people who click on the link will actually find the 2016 platform? (BTW, other than this code error, I like the link became it actually links to the actual PDF, rather than a page that links to that PDF).

In addition to the above, I have two suggestions for your bot. I don't know what you will think of them, but I might as well ask. First, can you program the bot to change hyphens to en-dashes whenever it is clear that the mark is intended to be a dash? Many editors use hyphens when they're supposed to be using dashes. Secondly, is there any way for your bot to add the links to the Biographical Directory of the United States Congress on the articles of current and former members of Congress? --1990'sguy (talk) 23:57, 13 May 2017 (EDT)

It seems that they didn't stick to naming conventions, so that link text is being misunderstood by the wiki. I put in a workaround, using a web redirect. It's not really what we should do, but I'm not sure what it is we should do. This works, anyway.
I welcome any any all thoughts, suggestions, criticisms, etc. about the bot! Unfortunately, the bot is very limited, and not very smart. It can and does detect double hyphens (the proper way to type a dash when only hyphens are available) and replace them with a dash. However, it cannot tell if a single hyphen should be replaced with a dash. Only if a specific word is immediately before or after the dash in need of replacing could it do this. It would detect the "-word" or "word-" then replace it. That's about as good as it gets. For the second suggestion, it could only add identical links to each page. So if there is some master list you would link linked to, it can put that on a hundred pages in a few minutes. However, it cannot put a different link on each page. I'm still hunting for a better bot solution, but for now, the main "engine" is basically just a batch edit bot. If anything within these constraints could be helpful, let me know and I'll gladly run a batch job. --David B (TALK) 01:17, 14 May 2017 (EDT)
I just tried the "cite web" template, but the same ref problem occurred. Oh well. I encourage you to continue to develop your bot! I think a bot that can do more things would be very useful. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:59, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

Regarding Ransomware

I've been a bit out of the IT loop, but I can think of a few ideas for defeating it, at least on a Windows OS, in degrees of severity.

1. Booting from the OS installation DVD and going a few system restores back.
2. Reinstalling Windows.
3. The above, plus updating the BIOS.
4. The above, plus swapping out the CPU and motherboard physically.
5. The above, plus having all your information backed-up to an external hard drive or flash drive pre-infection.

How deep would I have to go? The NSA leaks on Windows zero-days make me concerned. I'd rather not lose twelve years of data. --Pious (talk) 23:39, 19 May 2017 (EDT)

Sorry for the delayed response. You're certainly on the right track, but there are a few important factors to consider while following that line of reasoning. Since most ransomeware encrypts the entire drive, the OS disk does not see any system to run system restore on. Therefore, that is not an option. Actually, in my experience, system restore is almost always useless when dealing with malware, since the "bad guys" know all about it, and want to defeat it. Secondly, the CPU is just a calculator--it cannot be locked or corrupted. The only available attack on a processor which I know of is to force it to run far too many calculations so that it burns out. Regarding your points specifically, therefore:
  1. Not going to work, as explained.
  2. That should work fine--the attack is usually designed to lock data. If you reinstall the OS, there is not much they can do to stop you, in most cases.
  3. Updating the BIOS would only be needed if the BIOS has been corrupted. If it has, it may also have been somewhat protected against updating. However, the BIOS is generally not targeted, since it is different from one computer to another. While one kind can be attacked, scores of others will be safe.
  4. Replacing the CPU would be pointless, but replacing the board replaces the CMOS. That will remove the potentially infected BIOS from the equation. If the ransomware comes back, this is a good thing to try.
  5. Always a good idea! Back up all of your personal files, and keep the storage device disconnected from the PC at all other times. If you get infected while that drive is attached, it will probably be locked as well.
Something I like to do is to also take complete drive backup. This will take substantial external storage, but is a safe way to protect your files, settings, and perhaps most importantly, your software licenses. Take a system snapshot, then if the system is compromised, restore the image to the drive. This demolishes all data on the drive, and replaces it with the old information. Ideally, you should be able to just reboot after the restore, and the system will initialize as it always used to. My favorite program for doing that is DriveImage XML (which is free for private use).
It can go deep--the BIOS can be compromised, so you will be unable to boot to anything but the infected drive. This will prevent you from restoring a complete drive backup, even if you have one. The only way I know to deal with that is to swap out the motherboard, and run a boot disk (I like Hiren's BootCD). Using DIXML on the boot disk, then restore the XML backup to the infected drive. Make sure to wipe the drive first, just in case--at least a full format would be smart. Then try booting to it, with your external backup drive (any all other storage devices, except the restored hard drive) disconnected. Then you can try playing around, cleaning your BIOS and other storage devices, if you have any.
For now, just keep make sure to get all Windows updates, make regular backups (and if you take complete drive backups, keep a few older versions as well as the newest), never visit links you don't trust (especially in e-mails), and maybe get some good Anti-virus software and perhaps anti-malware software, like Spybot Search & Destroy.
A more radical option you could use is to switch to a Linux system. Linux Mint might be a good one, since the interface is designed similar to that of Windows. It would take some getting used to, and you will need to find and learn some new software to replace the Windows software you may use now, but that will shelter you from those zero-day vulnerabilities. Linux can have vulnerabilities too, but very few attackers pay any attention to them, since so few people use each version of Linux.
I hope this helps some--anything I didn't cover well? I know it's a lot to take in and especially a lot to do. --David B (TALK) 23:33, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

Congressman John Fleming

I would like to upload an updated official photo. Can you assist? Dustygram (talk) 22:15, 21 May 2017 (EDT)

Sure, if you can you go ahead and find one, in the Public Domain or under a Creative Commons license, that would be great. Here are some good sources:
The first two are my favorites. If you can find a good one, just get me the link and I'll upload it. If this is all confusing, or you have any questions, please just say so! --David B (TALK) 22:11, 23 May 2017 (EDT)


Is there any chance you could review the edits of this editor? They are not vandalism, but they cite few sources and I don't think many of them have the most encyclopedic language. I changed some of his edits, and I posted on his talk page with some of the diffs. --1990'sguy (talk) 11:52, 22 May 2017 (EDT)

Agreed, he is adding some great information, but citations are needed. I've messaged him as well. It could be that he just isn't familiar with the process. --David B (TALK) 12:57, 22 May 2017 (EDT)


The page title should be protected after being deleted, and protected so only administrators can create. --Anglican (talk) 16:22, 24 May 2017 (EDT)

Not a bad idea, but I cannot set that level of protection. I don't even know if autoconfirmed level restriction will slow this fool down, but it's all I can do. Perhaps ask an a full admin? The thing is, he'll just use a slightly different name, and keep going. --David B (TALK) 16:25, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
That's a good point, although I don't think that level of protection does much of anything since only registered users can edit anyway. --Anglican (talk) 16:27, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
That is probably the case. However, some users registered here are not autoconfirmed, but do have accounts. I'm not sure how/why that happens. --David B (TALK) 16:29, 24 May 2017 (EDT)

"Coat of Arms" of Turkey

Hi. Turkey doesn't have a "coat of arms", but "national emblem" on the flag (star and crescent) is being used on passports, ID cards, driving licences, embassy signs, seal of the presidential office, seal of the National Assembly and the seal of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I ask you to upload this file and put it on the article (instead of the so-called "coat of arms"). Thanks. - Andrewlee (talk) 12:14, 25 May 2017 (EDT)

The image currently used there does seem to be legitimate. I'd be happy to upload it, but it doesn't really seem to be their coat of arms as much as it is just their national symbol. Since it is so similar to the flag (which has the same emblem) are you sure it would be beneficial to show that instead of the current image, which is in the "Coat of arms" section? --David B (TALK) 21:52, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
Yes, it will definitely be true. - Andrewlee (talk) 02:50, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
Okay, so I've done a little digging. While you are right, of course, that this emblem is regularly used, it is not their of arms. The coat of arms is different (here are some other examples). I'm fine with uploading this emblem, but it doesn't belong in that slot. The template doesn't actually seem to have a slot for it, but we could include it as an independent image, if you like. It clearly represents them, but just not as a coat of arms. Any thoughts on how it might be best displayed? --David B (TALK) 17:46, 26 May 2017 (EDT)

D.T. achievements article question

The article I'm working on, Donald Trump achievements, is already 200,000 bytes, and we're not even halfway through 2017. I was thinking of making separate subpages for each year, but should I instead do half-years? Or, how big can I make pages until the become a problem for readers (long loading time, etc.)? I would appreciate your opinion. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:36, 29 May 2017 (EDT)

Unrelated, would you please correct the title of File:John Flemming.jpg (it's one "M", not two). As well as add cats? Thanks! --1990'sguy (talk) 23:40, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
You could divide it by years or by topic areas -- foreign affairs, defense and national security, and domestic policy. Load time depends on the number of images and templates. If you look at the longest articles in CP, they are:

The longest page on English Wikipedia is ‎List of Australian treaties ‎[1,335,307 bytes]. JDano (talk) 08:55, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

That's a good question, but I really don't know the answer. I have a feeling that splitting it up a bit might be a good idea, but I dont know what our policy on page size is. 200kb is a lot to load on anything other than a high-speed connection. With the images, as you mentioned, it might be a bit much even for high-speed service. It might be smart to split it up or ask Andy. --David B (TALK)
OK. Would you please move the image as I requested to fix the spelling mistake? To reply to JDano, I considered dividing the article by topic area, but I don't want to do that because 1), that would be a lot of articles to maintain, and 2), some achievements could fall in multiple categories. For example, Trump's upcoming decision on the Paris Climate Agreement (which I hope he chooses to leave) could fall in the "environment," "foreign policy," and "government size/regulation" sections. Considering the other long articles, I might as well try to continue with my plan to make subpages by year rather than half-year, but if that's a bad descision, please tell me. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:20, 30 May 2017 (EDT)
I was waiting until I could use a PC to move the file, but I've just done it. You should be able to categorize miles once they're uploaded, if you want. I don't know much about him I couldn't use precise categories. However, I have added some basic ones which will probably be sufficient. Probably keeping the page as it is is okay. It's a lot to download, but like you said, splitting it up would be complicated. Let me know if there's anything else I can do!--David B (TALK) 10:47, 31 May 2017 (EDT)

One unrelated thing: I have been removing unnecessary links added by TAR, but I want to be cautious in removing links and there are a few articles where I would like someone else to decide which links/cats to remove. The articles I'm thinking about are Oath Keepers, Vow, and American Patriots. It might also a good idea to check the categories of Conservative values. Would you please do these things? --1990'sguy (talk) 23:48, 2 June 2017 (EDT)

I will take a look when possible, but am very busy right now. --David B (TALK) 23:52, 4 June 2017 (EDT)


It's been great knowing you. Are you from Chicago? I've never done well with people from Chicago before; they commit a lot of crime in my part of the state. If you are, it's good to meet a nicer, better-mouthed person from Chicago. Still, you're a great technician and I hope you can use that to bring this site to glory.--Nathan (talk) 16:33, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

It's been great knowing you as well. I've been out of touch the last for weeks--are you leaving?
I am not from Chicago, actually. In any case, thanks--I hope I can help out a lot here! You have made some great progress here also. Thanks for your efforts! --David B (TALK) 23:55, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
He appears to have been some type of parodist.[2] --1990'sguy (talk) 00:12, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
Interesting. I was originally suspicious (due to the user name), but he seemed to be on the level. This goes to show what happens when I don't pay attention for two weeks. Thanks for the link! --David B (TALK) 00:32, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
I was more than suspicious and said so months ago (somewhere - I can't find it now.) I had various tos and fros with him and asked for help re Hilaire Belloc a number of times. You and your mates were more interested in nailing Liberals than housekeeping. Only Progressingamerica answered.

So... tomorrow... or whenever....when I finally manage to get myself together after a major injury to my wife, I will get into this with a degree of gusto. I will say only one thing now...that Abcque was allowed to do what he did for so long by the sheer ignorance or lack of will of so called senior editors of CP. AlanE (talk) 02:57, 7 June 2017 (EDT)

Cleaning up after the blocked users

I've checked the author articles he's created, and it does not appear that he made up the "The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference" reference that he used most. It appears that his edits (besides the clear garbage, such as that test vandalism and the jokes) were legitimate. If you would check further, I would appreciate that.

Also, I would appreciate it if you would check my requests I posted two sections above regarding TAR cleanup. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:24, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

Thanks for checking! TAR did definitely add some good content, along with the junk. I will be happy to take a look as time permits, but I don't have much of it right now. One other issue with his contributions is some things were plagiarized, often from this website. You could also check for that, if you want and have not already. Thanks! --David B (TALK) 00:00, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
Also, F.Y.I., TAR was not dishonorably banned. Rather, he decided to leave, and asked that his account be blocked. At the time, several editors were pushing for the admins to take action against him, but I don't think that push was going anywhere. His existing ban is in place at his request, to lock his account. --David B (TALK) 01:01, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
I already knew that. That's why I used "blocked users" rather than "vandals/parodists" or something like that. However, you're right, my wording was still bad and understandably gave you the impression that you got. --1990'sguy (talk) 11:06, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
Good point. I was tired when I was writing that. You were here then, and part of the push. Sorry about that.--David B (TALK) 12:57, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
That's OK. However, actually, I joined several months after TAR left. I learned about it through reading about it, rather than actually experiencing it. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:05, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
I came in late in the game too. I started ignorantly cleaning up some of it, having no clue. SamHB then told me about him, but said he guessed TAR had left. A little while later, TAR reappeared, reverted many of my changes, and referred to me in a derogatory light. Then he left again, and cleanup resumed. It's been a strange situation. --David B (TALK) 23:01, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
Well, I'm glad he's gone. He appears to have caused a lot of damage. The spam he created still exists on many articles like the ones I asked you about. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:25, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

We've all got better things to think about than the history of the TAR episode, but he blocked himself on Apr 1, 2016 here, but didn't have his rights (that he could have used to unblock himself) revoked until Apr 5. If you are curious, there was extensive discussion among the many people who had been wronged by TARs destructive behavior here, including a request by me, on Apr 2, that his rights be revoked so that we could all put a stop to this. Once the rights were revoked, we could all breathe a sigh of relief, and look forward to telling you newcomers about this epic battle.  :-) SamHB (talk) 00:57, 6 June 2017 (EDT)