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:::::The link ''isn't'' clearly demonstrated.  The only mention of bipolar disorder in that essay is in relation to Stephen Fry, and it says quite explicitly that "Specifically he is a sufferer of bipolar disorder, a largely hereditary disease".  I strongly suggest removing the 'liberalism/socialism causes bipolar' implications from the BPD entry, as it pollutes the quality and balance of the article.  [[User:Sideways|Sideways]] 16:35, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
 
:::::The link ''isn't'' clearly demonstrated.  The only mention of bipolar disorder in that essay is in relation to Stephen Fry, and it says quite explicitly that "Specifically he is a sufferer of bipolar disorder, a largely hereditary disease".  I strongly suggest removing the 'liberalism/socialism causes bipolar' implications from the BPD entry, as it pollutes the quality and balance of the article.  [[User:Sideways|Sideways]] 16:35, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
 
::::::I inserted fact tags, because I know if I reverted again then Bugler would revert me, ad nauseum until someone runs to Andy. Instead I expect to see some sources or it can't stay in the article. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 16:36, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
 
::::::I inserted fact tags, because I know if I reverted again then Bugler would revert me, ad nauseum until someone runs to Andy. Instead I expect to see some sources or it can't stay in the article. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 16:36, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
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Your belief in 'Big Science' astounds me. There is no demonstrable, factual basis in any real sense for psychology/psychiatry. The practitioners are just feeling around in the dark, learning on an empirical basis that some drugs help here and there, but no proof of what causes anything - just as Darwinians have no proof. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 16:43, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
 
:::::::He's reverted you anyway.  Where do we go from here?  [[User:Sideways|Sideways]] 16:39, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
 
:::::::He's reverted you anyway.  Where do we go from here?  [[User:Sideways|Sideways]] 16:39, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

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Is this the end?

Is HelpJazz no more? HenryS 19:44, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

You man of little Faith. --TomB 17:40, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Welcome back!

You were sorely missed! --TomB 17:39, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Congratulations on your graduation. I hope you still have an itching to help the project. You have been missed. ;-) Learn together 17:53, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Hey there, Mr. Jazz. (May I call you Help?) Word to the wise, which you definitely are - tread softly 'til you get the lay of the land. Believe it or not, it's even more treacherous than before. Aziraphale 23:30, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
HelpJazz has friends all over the site and is well respected. If he posts again that can only be positive. Learn together 23:36, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
Thanks for the illustration. Aziraphale 17:18, 5 September 2008 (EDT)


Are you actually back? HenryS 23:33, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Congratulations on graduating! That's a challenging major also, chemical engineering.--Aschlafly 14:23, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

Thanks all, for the congratulations and welcome (including the one I got in my email). To answer your questions: I'm not "back", inasmuch as I never really "left", I just didn't post for a while. In the immediate future I won't be editing much, because I've been having a lot of carpal tunnel problems, but we'll see what happens. HelpJazz 12:42, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

How can we be sure your account hasn't been hacked, and this isn't just some vandal/imposter posting here? HenryS 22:50, 7 September 2008 (EDT)
Well, the question comes to mind of why someone would want to hack my account. It's not like I have sysop powers or anything. Taking aside motive, let's get existential about this: what if someone hacked my account, and that was the HelpJazz that you knew and now this is the real HelpJazz? Then there'd be no way to prove I was hacked, because the hacker would know every way to prove he was "real", and the real me wouldn't have any way to prove that he wasn't the hacker! Trippy, eh?
Or you could just trust I'm not an imposter and scrutinize the few edits I will be making (which is probably happening already). HelpJazz 13:08, 8 September 2008 (EDT)
You do know that that was just a joke right? Not paranoia as some humourless fools would think. Its good to see you back. 494523500 43294 96-079 94482! HenryS 19:35, 8 September 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, I figured as much :) HelpJazz 19:41, 8 September 2008 (EDT)
From one recent graduate, to another - congratulations! (or as we say omedetou gozaimasu!) --KotomiTHajimemashite! 15:55, 8 September 2008 (EDT)
Thanks HelpJazz 19:41, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

Do you have any interest in writing Danish related content for this encyclopedia? If so, you might want to join the Danish Writers Group (DWG). Let me know if you're interested... HenryS 20:01, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

Um... the only Danishes I know about are the kind with cream cheese filling. Mmmmmmm cream cheese. HelpJazz 12:25, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
I'll take that as a "yes". HenryS 19:00, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
Woot! HelpJazz 19:56, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

Accusation

You have accused me on my talk page of being an "obvious sock". I invite you to retract this, as it is completely false. Bugler 04:16, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Sorry, I didn't mean you, I meant User:Rp6, who made this reference to something written by user:Roopilots6 HelpJazz 12:55, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

You called?

What is the matter? HenryS 15:58, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Dearest Bohdan Hank, could you please a look at the block log over the last hour or two and let me know what you think? Thanks, HelpJazz 16:00, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
What is there to think? Looks like a normal block log to me. HenryS 16:02, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Well, I was talking mostly about DrHubertJNugz and SamuelHTD. The orchestra were likely going to be trouble as well, though none of them were allowed to make an edit. HelpJazz 16:09, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
I'll take a look at those two users. Don't worry about being blocked. I won't allow it! HenryS 16:19, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Thanks :) HelpJazz 16:20, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
DrHubertJNugz was probably a sockpuppet. HenryS 16:27, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Vandals, trolls and socks

Since you think I block the undeserving, perhaps you would like to consider what to to with the two most recent signings, the brothers Nick and Mark. Coincidence, non? Bugler 16:33, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Very likely vandals. Of course, they could also turn out to be two of the best editors we've ever had, so there's a risk vs. reward to think about.
I don't want to give away my whole strategy, lest a future vandal reads but I can tell you this: I like to let them make an edit or two before I block users. 98% of vandals reveal themselves within the first 10 edits (90% within the first 2 edits). Or if you want, you could ask them directly, but they will probably just tell you they are related or something. HelpJazz 16:38, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Fair enough, but getting them quick (ie even before an edit) does, I think, help to discourage the others. It would seem you distrust your own nose almost as much as you do mine... Bugler 16:40, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Possibly your approach may be the more judicious one here, but time will tell. Bugler 16:53, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Having been blocked without cause before, I know that you will discourage more innocents by being too vigilant than you scare away vandals. Plus, if you wait until they have actually done something banworthy, then you don't have to worry about the email crying "but I haven't done anything!" (Which I have gotten). I still feel bad about some guy who had Mudkipz in his name (or however you spell it), and I blocked him before he made any edits. He sent me an e-mail saying that his son came up with the name, but when I unblocked him and apologized, he never came back. HelpJazz 19:46, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Sex Ed

Does teaching children that boys have a penis and girls have a vagina really constitute sex education? If not then you may want to rethink your sourcing on the Liberal Myths article. I would have thought real sex ed involved teaching what to do with those organs, which is not taught in kindergartens (we - as in almost all recently schooled Australians - have been there). NormanS 16:41, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Unfortunately, the determination of how early to teach kids different levels of sex education isn't a "yes" or "no" answer. If you can find something better, please be my guest to put it into the article. I don't particularly like the one I found, but it was good enough for the time. Also, something like this belongs on the talk page of the article in question, so that people can follow it easier. HelpJazz 19:51, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Sock

Are you under the impression that User:Bugler is a sockpuppet? HenryS 19:42, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

No sir. HelpJazz 19:46, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
A parodist? HenryS 19:53, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
I find it extremely difficult to say with certainty if someone believes what they say or are pretending to believe what they say. I can say that Bugler is very forceful in his convictions. You've known him longer than I have though. HelpJazz 20:00, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Oh, I think he is a parodist. HenryS 20:02, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Hi, I am sorry to interject if this is a private conversation (as private as can be on a wiki!) but I would like to state something as I have been following this discussion. I have watched this site for awhile before creating an account and I find Bugler quick to block, impossible to reason with and the sort of person to drive people away from this site. I don't know if he is a parodist but I think its irrelevant. I have seen him block for a month over very minor details that should only earn a warning. I have only had to deal with him once and I felt I was to be blocked for simply asking a question of him. He got quite aggresive with me for merely making a suggestion. I expect he will block me for this comment but I wanted to add my two cents as a concerned editor. Thanks guys. ClarkeD 20:11, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Removal of worshipping environmentalists link

Hi - just curious as to why you removed my addition of the link to the photograph of "worshipping" environmentalists. That photo is even linked to from the main page right now, so why not put it in the article? --DRamon 22:53, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Because it's not encyclopedic, and it's not a valid reference. It's on the main page as news. HelpJazz 22:57, 15 September 2008 (EDT)
Ok, makes sense - you're right: news!=encyclopedia. Thanks, --DRamon 23:02, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Jpatt's censorship line

Moved to Talk:Censorship#Jpatt's censorship line, so that Jpatt can see it

Al Franken

Thank you very much for your help on the Al Franken page.... However, I don't see myself getting stuck in that mess. I have looked through the history, and it seems anyone who doesn't toe the line gets banned pretty quickly. However, I would ask that you also check out the Lies and the Lying Liars who tell them page. Thank you again for all your help. NateE Let Us Communicate 14:41, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

Sure I'll take a look at it. HelpJazz 14:46, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

Bipolar disorder

Thank you for clearing up the causes of bipolar disorder on the article. I understand that there are certain ideological standpoints on this cite, and I don't want to get in the way of that. However, that outlandish of a claim does require a citation. I didn't want to revert the edits of a sysop (at least I think he's a sysop). So, thanks again! Jeffrey W. LauttamusDiscussion 15:59, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

Bugler's not a sysop, he just acts like one. He would have probably blocked you if you undid it though. HelpJazz 16:01, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
Which is why I didn't do it. I think I'm in pretty good standing so far, and I don't want to rub anyone the wrong way. Thanks again. Jeffrey W. LauttamusDiscussion 16:06, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
Bugler just reverted it back to his version. I have undone this as I had made substantial contributions re treatment of BPD which he had deleted. Sideways 16:13, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
Look at Andy's Liberal teachings/mental illness article. The link is clearly demonstrated. Add your bits as theory, but don't remove what I have contributed on approved lines. Bugler 16:15, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
It's called a "mystery", so it doesn't belong in a factual encyclopedia article. HelpJazz 16:16, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
The link isn't clearly demonstrated. The only mention of bipolar disorder in that essay is in relation to Stephen Fry, and it says quite explicitly that "Specifically he is a sufferer of bipolar disorder, a largely hereditary disease". I strongly suggest removing the 'liberalism/socialism causes bipolar' implications from the BPD entry, as it pollutes the quality and balance of the article. Sideways 16:35, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
I inserted fact tags, because I know if I reverted again then Bugler would revert me, ad nauseum until someone runs to Andy. Instead I expect to see some sources or it can't stay in the article. HelpJazz 16:36, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

Your belief in 'Big Science' astounds me. There is no demonstrable, factual basis in any real sense for psychology/psychiatry. The practitioners are just feeling around in the dark, learning on an empirical basis that some drugs help here and there, but no proof of what causes anything - just as Darwinians have no proof. Bugler 16:43, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

He's reverted you anyway. Where do we go from here? Sideways 16:39, 16 September 2008 (EDT)