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Superb Blocks and Unblocks

Superb blocks and unblocks last night!!! Very well done!--Aschlafly 10:08, 22 February 2008 (EST)

Thanks. It's a pity people like that feel the need to do what they do. HelpJazz 10:27, 22 February 2008 (EST)

Bolding terms

HelpJazz, feel free to ask others, but I think the bolding of the key word in the entry is effective, as in deceit.--Aschlafly 11:16, 22 February 2008 (EST)

I thought you were only supposed to bold it the first time, but if you like bolding it every time then I won't change any others. The manual of style doesn't really indicated either way. HelpJazz 17:08, 22 February 2008 (EST)
The Manual of Style says to bold the first use. It doesn't explicitly say to not bold other uses, but that is the implication. Philip J. Rayment 21:19, 22 February 2008 (EST)


Oh come on, you know libertarian does not equal liberal. DanH 22:31, 6 March 2008 (EST)

I do, very much so. It's a rather large pet peeve of mine, when people confuse the two. HelpJazz 22:32, 6 March 2008 (EST)


Sarcasm in comments to edits will result in the blocking of an account, for obvious reasons. This is a high quality site and it will remain that way. Thanks.--Aschlafly 22:58, 6 March 2008 (EST)

I'm sorry. I was a little offended when you called me a liberal (twice), intimated that I wasn't smart enough to understand what you were writing, and then suggested that my claims of misunderstanding weren't credible.
I probably should have held back the sarcasm but I've been sick lately (I slept for almost 30 straight hours Tues/Weds and had a high fever most of the time) and apparently don't have the restraint I usually do. I'll be going to bed soon; hopefully I'll be able to sleep off some more of this sickness and the grumpiness which comes with it. Good night. HelpJazz 23:34, 6 March 2008 (EST)
PS: Hopefully I'll get better by spring break; I'll have loads of free time for editing, and a lot of backed up class notes to convert to articles!

I don't mean to be nosy

Do you mind if I ask what school you go to? I know someone taking chemical engineering at Drexel, and it just sparked my interest when I saw you had the same major.--Steve 20:18, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

I go to Bucknell University. The logo's also on my user page :) HelpJazz 09:36, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

I can never get my head around it

Why do people like you contribute here? I mean, people like you are honest, hardworking reliable persons who genuinely want to help out. But this place is little more than a hate site aimed at Liberals and Gays. Their Liberals and Homosexuality articles are the laughing stock of the Blogosphere. I'm a Moderately Conservative Blogger (I back mc Cain) and these ultra's make the rest of us look bad. Decent people like yourself are only an accessory to the broader betrayal of conservative principles, which these guys seem to parody every day with articles like Liberals and friendship or Gay Bowel Syndrome or Gay Bomb. Its absolutely amazing. McCain08 13:29, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

I'm not really sure how to take that. HelpJazz 15:59, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
Maybe he doesn't fixate on only a few articles and views the project as a whole. HelpJazz has been an invaluable contributor and doesn't feel he has to but heads on every small point he may not agree with. We can all find things we may not like, but there is always a great deal of improvement that can be made in other areas. To reduce our site to a few offending articles and ignore the rest is petty and is hardly something that a conservative blogger would do. Learn together 17:25, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
I do know how to take that! Thanks Learn together :) HelpJazz 18:53, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
Hi Learn Together,
I'm just interested to know what you would consider to be an alternative article I could assess as being trustworthy and encyclopedic? I've hit random page 10 times and I've got, Dirge, Decency, Statute of Anne, Lemon test, African Americans, Jonah, Easter, Canadian deuterium uranium reactor, Ocarina, Brisbane. Most of them articles are very short, with only the African Americans article standing out but even that is puny by Wikipedia standards. This place, as you like to believe is not interested in developing these run of the mill, largely unpolitical articles. It is obsessed by using Liberals as a catchphrase at every turn. Your right, the majority of articles here are apolitical. But the issue is not how many slander and deface homosexuals and Liberals, but the mere presence of a derogatory and (what seems to me) parody article demeans the entire site and its mind baffling how even minded people could even consider using the site. Wearethefuture 10:22, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

McCain08's thesis boils down to the crazy idea that by opposing evil, we are betraying goodness. That hearkens back to the heresy that when Jesus said, "Judge not," he meant that Christians should never evaluate any doctrine or deed to whether it is good or bad. Actually, what he meant is to avoid hypocrisy, which is "judging" without applying the standard of judgment to one's own self. This is the error that led to the downfall of TV preacher Jimmy Swaggart and NY governor Eliot Spitzer.

In fact, it is liberals rather than conservatives who are guilty of this error. They constantly use double standard judgments, notably giving communists and dictators a pass - literally letting them get away with murder - while magnifying some relatively minor American crimes.

McCain08's comments appear hypocritical or simply pro-liberal when he accuses us of "slandering and defacing" homosexuals. Actually our Homosexuality article is factual and well deserves its top ten status in the blogosphere. It is rather the liberal media who slander Christians and Jews for standing up to the gay rights movement. It is rather liberal politicians who have made preaching the righteousness of the Bible a crime in some countries, and liberal administrations who have banned such preaching at many American universities.

Goodness must be trustworthy. To merit the world's trust, good people must expose evil - not only in others, of course (see hypocrisy), but all around. Confession is good for the soul! --Ed Poor Talk 10:34, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

Standing up to the gay rights movement? What are you standing up for? Really, put down Ann Coulter for a second and think for yourself.

Christ asks us not to look at the speck in our brothers eye when we haven't taken care of the plank in our own. This entire place is preachy, hypocritical and incredibly mean. Jesus would be weeping if he saw what his so called flock have produced.

Standing up to evil? Liberals are therefore evil? Homosexuals are therefore evil? And Liberals giving dictatorships a free pass... I'm sorry, where are you getting this nonsense? What is it that Bush said while campaigning in 2000 - 'I don't like going into another country and telling them how to do things our way' This was of course a response to the interventionist Gore, who advocated going into countries swarmed by civil strife. Clinton intervened in many countries (Though not enough in Rwanda) Read a book, ignoramus. Wearethefuture 10:55, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

"Think for yourself" is a liberal code word for "reject wisdom merely because it comes from another person". --Ed Poor Talk 10:59, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

And he ignores the rest... Typical tactic, ignore what someone else says, create new saying and somehow fit Liberal into every second sentance. Helpjazz, how can you continue to work with these people? Wearethefuture 11:25, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

Well, I didn't come here to argue or change minds. When I do interact with people, I do so in a kind and calm manner, instead of attacking that in which someone else believes. HelpJazz 12:49, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

Carter's mouth

HJ, thanks for the permalink. --Ed Poor Talk 18:17, 18 March 2008 (EDT)


IS there a place I can ask the community as a whole something?--FellowChristian16 17:50, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

Not exactly. For general things you might try talk:Main Page, or for a specific issue you might want to try a related debate or article. There isn't really an announcement board, though. HelpJazz 18:03, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
I have done so and I would like you to direct as many people as possible to it cause I need opinions. I would like you to comment as well. Here you go.--FellowChristian16 18:40, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

Complaint, but then ...

HelpJazz, you complained about a lack of citations for abortion deceit, but then did not help me fill in the citations. Why?--Aschlafly 20:39, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

It wasn't a complaint as much as a comment. I've been in and out all day, since I'm on a school trip, and haven't had a lot of time to search. I'm generally not good at finding cites for those sorts of claims anyway :-/ I'll see if I can dig anything up now that I'm back for the night..
In general, I find it best if the person who put in the claim puts in his own cites. You obviously know more about it and better know where to find cites, whereas I would be starting from scratch. HelpJazz 20:46, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Ron Paul

Thanks for pointing that out. I assumed he had because somebody had already removed him from the template itself. DanH 21:41, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

Oh I didn't even notice that he was removed from the template. I think he's more or less given up so it's an easy mistake to make. HelpJazz 21:53, 23 March 2008 (EDT)


Thanks for this: PS: while "liberal" may mean "moderate" across the sea, "-4.00/-7.18" well... isn't ;-) Quite true, and nicely phrased =) I was thinking of changing some of that anyway, but it was night-time here. Europeanunion 07:38, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

Yes, well, the two-axis scale is something in which I'm pretty proficient :) I really like your userboxes, by the way. And I actually agree with a lot of them! (I don't know my exact score off the top of my head, but I'm somehere in the bottom right quadrant on political compass). HelpJazz 13:30, 30 March 2008 (EDT)


Thank you thank you thank you. Your's sincerely, Jellyfish 12:43, 30 March 2008 (EDT)


Help? Everwill 16:11, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

I'm afraid I'm not sure what I can do. I know very little about geography (Christian or otherwise) and Philip's been studying creation science longer than I've been alive. HelpJazz 16:23, 31 March 2008 (EDT)
Quite frankly there are statements in that article which make Conservapedia a laughing stock. Everwill 06:50, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
I didn't really read it. I'll give it a once-over and let you know what I think. HelpJazz 09:57, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

I unprotected the article, and a quick glance shows nothing strange. I'd like Will to be more specific. --Ed Poor Talk 09:58, 1 April 2008 (EDT)


Just face it, you are a conservative. Bohdan 23:19, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

As much as this destroys my street cred to say so, I differ in one essential area: I don't think that my conservatism should be pushed onto others through the coercive force of the government. If nothing else, you've got to admit that I at least have the lingo. HelpJazz 23:21, 31 March 2008 (EDT)
Ouch. You so have *zero* cred now. Bohdan 23:24, 31 March 2008 (EDT)
Yeah. Can't get a street loan anymore :( HelpJazz 23:27, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

Admit it Jazz, you is YEC. Bohdan

Nope, just open minded and respectful of other people's beliefs :) HelpJazz 17:26, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

Thank you

Thank you for helping me find out how to put in a signature. I appreciate it! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Adg2011 (talk)

Multi-use refs

Please help me fix the refs in Little Black Sambo. One more good example, and I think I can learn to start doing it myself. --Ed Poor Talk 10:23, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

I think I got it. I couldn't change the first two refs, because they inlcuded text as well as the website, but I changed the rest for you. Basically one of your references (usually the first one, but it doesn't actually have to be the first) should be in the form:
<ref name="name">Reference info</ref>
And all the other references just need to say
<ref name="name" />
I always forget the extra "/" in the secondary refs. Oh and if you don't spell it right, it won't work ;-) HelpJazz 10:35, 2 April 2008 (EDT)


The feedback has been very positive about your efforts, HelpJazz. I hope to be able to promote you to night-editing by the end of the weekend.--Aschlafly 18:32, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

Thank you so much Mr. Schlafly. I look forward to your decision. 23:01, 2 April 2008 (EDT)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by HelpJazz (talk)

Congratulations HelpJazz on your achievement. --JBuscombe 17:46, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

HelpJazz, night-editing looks good but I have to wait on another Sysop's return on Monday. Thanks for your patience.--Aschlafly 23:53, 6 April 2008 (EDT)

Hey HelpJazz, just wanted to throw in my best wishes here. You've really done a lot for the site and I'm sure everyone supports you. For what it's worth, I feel you've definitely earned night-editing (so let's hope that other Sysop gets back to Andy soon!). Feebasfactor 09:13, 9 April 2008 (EDT)


I'd like to thank you for being helpful and accommodating in the time since I joined; you have not been angry, accusatory or unkind at all. I do wish people could be more civil, recognise that more than one opinion can be legitimate, and at least try to prepare to change one's mind. I am also sorry that an agreement could not be formed: I know that it was unlikely on such an almost cherished article, but my views have been stated, and could still be acted upon (particularly about moving said phrase). Europeanunion 13:30, 5 April 2008 (EDT)

I do my best to be helpful. It's hard sometimes :) If you are having trouble with the more contraversial topics, I'd love to learn more about mathematical physics. :) HelpJazz 00:52, 6 April 2008 (EDT)

Sources - Anorexia nervosa

I can't recall good sources right now, but I'm working on it. Thanks!--Parker 10:33, 7 April 2008 (EDT)

Thanks! I guess I couldn't find anything for "wanarexia" because it's actually spelled with two "n's". D'oh! Good work. HelpJazz 16:03, 7 April 2008 (EDT)

About sources in the Mortal Kombat article

Hello. I found citations for many things in the Mortal Kombat article but I'm not sure exactly what is it that needs citations, so... what is it?

Thank you in advance. WilliamH 19:18, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

P.S. I'll put some links I found as external links in the article. Check them out if you want. WilliamH 19:19, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

I was probably too hasty. The article isn't realy making many outstanding claims, though I don't remember there being suicide or satanism. (I admit I only played the game a couple times, so I could have not seen it or just forgotten it.) HelpJazz 00:32, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

But how will people read if the spelling is wrong?

SpellChecker 00:38, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

I can get the gist of what was said. This is very pedantic, to take it *that* seriously. DanH 00:38, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
It hasn't caused any problems yet. If you think it's really that hard... then try correcting *articles* and not talk pages. Most of the stuff on this page is irrelevant now anyway. HelpJazz 00:40, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
Where was the bad grammar? My head is itchy. I find pages to spellcheck based on the recent changes, so far none of the articles there have had spelling mistakes. SpellChecker 00:43, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
You are right, I misread it. If you run out of things on the recent changes click on the random page button, which you seem to have already found. Just don't change comments in user or talk namespaces. HelpJazz 00:45, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
I don't understand, why are you opposed to proper spelling? If somebody makes a tying error isn't it admirable to correct their mistake quickly and quietly as if nothing happened? That way discussions are easier to read and people don't need to be worried about their reputation being tarnished because of a simple mistake. Isn't that what friends are for? SpellChecker 00:48, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
Respectively: I'm not, no, and no. If you hate bad spelling that much, do it where it will be useful: articles. HelpJazz 00:50, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
You can be a great asset, but please limit your spellchecking to articles. Thank you Learn together 01:29, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
The problem I see with correcting user's posts is, where do you stop? They don't just make spelling errors, but punctuation and grammar errors too, and sometimes use sentence fragments, run-on sentences, etc. etc. Are you going to correct all of them too? What if what they are saying is ambiguous? Do you also reword it to make it clear? But if it's ambiguous, how do you know exactly what they meant? In an article, if it's not clear, you can reword it so that it is clear, and if it's not what the original author meant, that doesn't matter, because the article is meant to be a joint effort, not one particular editor's work. But their talk-page posts are their own work, and it should be their work, not a joint effort with them writing and you correcting. Philip J. Rayment 09:07, 13 April 2008 (EDT)


I have received a complaint about my "HelpJazz is too liberal" joke userbox. Are you offended? If you are I will remove it, and no I don't really think its true. It was either that line, or "HelpJazz looks like this donkey", and I figured that one was not too funny. HenryS 21:29, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Not offended at all; I know you are just a big joker :) HelpJazz 23:18, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
Does this mean I have permission to write: "This user thinks HelpJazz looks like this donkey"? HenryS 00:02, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
Depends. Do you know what I look like? I wouldn't want want to offend any donkeys. HelpJazz 00:04, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
Actually I have seen your picture. I don't think any donkeys would mind, but I guess they might... HenryS 00:10, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
Creepy. I should probably update that picture anyway, I look much cooler now. HelpJazz 00:11, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
You do remember what I am talking about right? HenryS 00:15, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
Yep. HelpJazz 00:18, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
84998 289507 48 4843926077 4693-53227. 628840 588 032775! 7276528 84 2805827 :) HenryS 00:33, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
My thoughts exactly... I think. HelpJazz 00:48, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Opinion requested

Could you please weigh in on the discussion here? We're looking for more opinions and hope to arrive at some sort of style definition. Thanks. Jinkas 20:13, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

Is this the end?

Is HelpJazz no more? HenryS 19:44, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

You man of little Faith. --TomB 17:40, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Welcome back!

You were sorely missed! --TomB 17:39, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Congratulations on your graduation. I hope you still have an itching to help the project. You have been missed. ;-) Learn together 17:53, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Hey there, Mr. Jazz. (May I call you Help?) Word to the wise, which you definitely are - tread softly 'til you get the lay of the land. Believe it or not, it's even more treacherous than before. Aziraphale 23:30, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
HelpJazz has friends all over the site and is well respected. If he posts again that can only be positive. Learn together 23:36, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
Thanks for the illustration. Aziraphale 17:18, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

Are you actually back? HenryS 23:33, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Congratulations on graduating! That's a challenging major also, chemical engineering.--Aschlafly 14:23, 5 September 2008 (EDT)