User talk:Joaquín Martínez

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Hello, Joaquin Martinez, and welcome to Conservapedia!

We're glad you are here to edit. We ask that you read our Editor's Guide before you edit.

At the right are some useful links for you. You can include these links on your user page by putting "{{Useful links}}" on the page. Any questions--ask!

Thanks for reading, Joaquin Martinez!

--Hojimachongtalk 17:56, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

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Violation of copyright

Dear Mr. Martinez,

If a copyright violation is noted in this website where I own the copyright of a particular image, who shall I contact?

thank you,

--Freeze 12:23, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

Please post any copyright violations on my talk page. Thanks.--Aschlafly 12:25, 19 April 2008 (EDT)
Please see: Fair use. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 12:35, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

That commies guy...

Thanks for deleting that vandal's rubbish, I wasn't sure anyone except me was awake. I hereby gift you with a smile! Don't spend it all at once. :) Jellyfish! 20:04, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

User:CharlesDarwho put this on top of the Obama article

"Warning: what follows is a blatantly racist and xenophobic depiction of the junior senator from illinois"

-- 50 star flag.png User:Deborah (contributions) (talk) 00:04, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

A major online conservative christian newspaper.....

A major online conservative christian newspaper is very interested in regards to Conservapedia's atheism article and the reporter said she would very likely do a story on it. She said her readers are VERY interested in the subject of atheism and the story that we are promoting our article and that some major Christian internet ministries have started to feature our article is a good story. I am making the conservapedia atheism article the article of the month which I think fits in nicely with the Expelled controversy. I have sent Andy an email on this matter and I am awaiting an answer. Conservative 14:45, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

Sysop nomination

Could you please vote at Conservapedia:Sysop contest/Nominations/Deborah -- 50 star flag.png User:Deborah (contributions) (talk) 18:44, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

Page redirect

Could you redirect Help:Editing to Help:How to Code -- 50 star flag.png User:Deborah (contributions) (talk) 19:05, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

Done. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 19:25, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

Thanks -- 50 star flag.png User:Deborah (contributions) (talk) 19:26, 2 May 2008 (EDT)


What do you want to do, just kill the red links, I can kill a lot of them, but in doing so I will creates lots of stubs, is that okay and what you want? -- 50 star flag.png User:Deborah (contributions) (talk) 20:22, 4 May 2008 (EDT)


I noticed you are interested in the art related articles on conservapedia, so I figured I'd ask you, there are many articles which have both Category:French People and Category:Painters, should I create a subcategory for French Painters -- 50 star flag.png User:Deborah (contributions) (talk) 17:13, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

Fine. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 17:14, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

Debate topic gay marriage

Am I allowed to mention on the debate article on gay marriage that (anal) sex is the most dangerous form of sex -- 50 star flag.png Deborah (contributions) (talk) 09:46, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

My advise: Leave that subject to others. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 09:54, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

I already mentioned that, and then thought I should ask if I should delete that line -- 50 star flag.png Deborah (contributions) (talk) 10:03, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Yes, delete. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 10:08, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Should the category Biblical Persons be subdivided by book in which the character is mentioned, for example genesis, job, daniel, or acts -- 50 star flag.png Deborah (contributions) (talk) 10:09, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

At present I think it is not necessary. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 10:11, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

What about book of genesis though, that would take up a large chunk of the category -- 50 star flag.png Deborah (contributions) (talk) 10:13, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Fine. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 10:14, 7 May 2008 (EDT)


thanks -- 50 star flag.png Deborah (contributions) (talk) 12:22, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

I accidently confused your edit with another's earlier, thanks for the really cute rabbit -- 50 star flag.png Deborah (contributions) (talk) 17:26, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Bertie Ahern

Can the page on Bertie Ahern please be retitled? It is currently "Bartholomew Ahern", a name by which he is never referred in Ireland (or any other country I know of). Eoinc 18:53, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Wow, that was quick. Eoinc 18:59, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Non-painting as an example of a painting

I am still waiting for a reply on Talk:Painting. You reverted my removal of an installation artwork that was not a painting and had no visible connection to painting with the reasoning "He made a painting that day, it is enough to be an example." - which makes no sense to me. Please take the time to read my reply and either remove that non-painting or upload the painting in question. --JBrown 09:11, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Thank you for your comments. As is natural my English is not good enough to make a perfect article; your help is consequently welcome. Just wait some time before changing as the article is in progress. Also please use a more polite talking as here in Mexico we are not use to work with those expressions. I specially do not tolerate it. About Christo, He in May 1983 made a painting, an unusual painting and a good example of this art. For me this end the discussion as I don't have time to talk to much. Try to be careful. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 09:24, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
I prefer not to ping-pong discussions, so I copied your reply here.
Some of your comments apparently referred to English Painting - I will not discuss these things here with you. If there is something you want to say (such as why you attributed a section to the wrong painter or copied from a Wikipedia mirror), you can do so on the talk page. I just fix inaccuracies as soon as I see them.
It's possible that Christo made a painting, but I'm quite certain the artwork on the Painting page is not it. As such, I am going to remove the non-painting since its presence makes no sense on the Painting page. Once you upload Christo's painting, you can insert it, but just because an artist made a painting does not mean that all his works become paintings. --JBrown 09:37, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

17,000 year claim

Joaquin, unfortunately I have to refine the claim of the very old date in the painting entry, as it is not verifiable and could well be yet another false claim originally attributable (unbeknownst to you) to atheists. Thanks in general for your superb contributions and efforts.--Aschlafly 19:35, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

OK, Andy, go ahead; it was Fox who wrote that information. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 19:37, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
Really???? Thanks for letting me know! Godspeed to you.--Aschlafly 19:46, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

quick note

I did send you an important email as I wanted you to be among the first to know as I know you are a fan of the conservapedia atheism article. I am also sending Dean a copy of the email in a moment as he expressed interest in getting the Conservapedia atheism article to be more widely known in the public arena. Conservative 11:41, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

Thank you. Good work! --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 12:06, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

Move request

Since you're apparently around and know the article in question, could you move the Christo Vladimirov Javacheff article to Christo and Jeanne-Claude? Thanks! --JBrown 14:50, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

Sorry, the name is correct as it is now. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 14:57, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
Yes, I'm aware that this is his birth name, but his artist name is "Christo", and it would make a lot of sense to move the article to my suggested name because the vast majority of his projects are collaborations with his wife. See also all name references on their site for starters. --JBrown 15:06, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
I have looked deeper into this, and you are technically wrong. From what I can see, nobody refers to him as "Christo Vladimirov Javacheff", and it's technically more desired to refer to the artist collaboration as "Christo and Jeanne-Claude". See also this page:
The artist is not Christo.

The artists are Christo and Jeanne-Claude.


Error: "Mr. Christo"

NO: Christo is his first name and the only one he uses. Jeanne-Claude also uses her first name .However, their son Cyril uses Christo's first name as his legal last name: Cyril Christo, born May 11, 1960, is a published poet.


Christo and Jeanne-Claude were both born on June 13, 1935. In 1994 they decided to officially change the artist name Christo into : the artists Christo and Jeanne-Claude.

Please reconsider my move request. --JBrown 16:14, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
Comments from an outsider (i.e. one not into art)
  • We have no guidelines on how articles on people should be titled (official name, popular name, etc.). So there is no "right" answer to this.
  • One reason for redirects is to allow for different titles that people might be looking for. At the very least, a redirect seems appropriate.
  • If the article is intended to be about their collaborative work, then Christo and Jeanne-Claude seems appropriate. If the article is intended to be about Christo Vladimirov Javacheff himself, then that would seem to be the more appropriate title, and perhaps there should be a separate article on their collaborative work.
Philip J. Rayment 00:28, 17 May 2008 (EDT)
I think that Christo as a singular person (without his art project collaborations) is hardly noticeable beyond a stub mention. He is pretty much defined through the art he created in collaboration with his wife. And when you look at Category:Artists, you will see that several artists are listed by the artist name and not the real name (Donatello, M. C. Escher, L S Lowry, Raphael for example. Also Prince and several others in the musician category).
If we seriously don't have a Manual of Style rule for this, then I would suggest this:
When creating an article about a person or multiple persons, go in this order when choosing the title:
  1. If there is an officially acknowledged artist name, use that one ("Nicolas Cage" instead of "Nicholas Coppola", "Freddie Mercury" instead of "Farrokh Bulsara", "Donatello" instead of "Donato di Niccolò di Betto Bardi")
  2. If the person is almost exclusively referred to by a nickname, use that one ("Bill Clinton" instead of "William Jefferson Clinton")
  3. If none of the above apply, use the birth name. Middle name only if it's in wide use.
It's not waterproof, I guess, but it should be a start. It would also have the advantage of resulting in little work for us since most articles already conform to these standards, I'm willing to bet.
Maybe some sort of "Go with the most noticeable constellation, only make individual member articles if they are noticeable by themselves" amendment would help, but that's sort of in the common sense department, I think. --JBrown 08:22, 17 May 2008 (EDT)
The place to propose this is on the Manual of Style talk page. Be warned, however, that it's often difficult to get enough opinions to form any sort of consensus. Philip J. Rayment 08:51, 17 May 2008 (EDT)
I'll flesh it out and post it there later. And maybe we can come to a sort of derived consensus (implied consensus based on what most people do anyway). I'll look further into our articles to see what the current tendencies are. Thanks for the link! --JBrown 14:34, 17 May 2008 (EDT)