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I trust this clarifies my position on atheists attempting to censor the material produced using the [[User:Conservative]] account (this month an additional editor was added to the editing team).[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:11, 29 April 2019 (EDT)
 
I trust this clarifies my position on atheists attempting to censor the material produced using the [[User:Conservative]] account (this month an additional editor was added to the editing team).[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:11, 29 April 2019 (EDT)
:By the way, I added material to the [[Atheistic China and baby eating]] article. The material was from ABC News and ''The Atlantic'' (one was a quotation and the other was put in the external link section). I realize this material may not fit your secular leftist narrative and pop the atheist bubble you have encased yourself in, yet the material will not be censored by you.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:16, 29 April 2019 (EDT)
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:By the way, I added material to the [[Communist China and baby eating]] article. The material was from ABC News and ''The Atlantic'' (one was a quotation and the other was put in the external link section). I realize this material may not fit your secular leftist narrative and pop the atheist bubble you have encased yourself in, yet the material will not be censored by you.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:16, 29 April 2019 (EDT)
  
 
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The ''New York Times'' article admitted that this statement of [[Donald Trump]] was prophetic: "We gonna win so much you may even get tired of winning and you'll say please, please Mr. President, It's too much winning! We can't take it anymore!"[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:34, 27 May 2019 (EDT)
 
The ''New York Times'' article admitted that this statement of [[Donald Trump]] was prophetic: "We gonna win so much you may even get tired of winning and you'll say please, please Mr. President, It's too much winning! We can't take it anymore!"[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:34, 27 May 2019 (EDT)
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:For further clarification, please see: [[Donald Trump achievements]].[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:39, 27 May 2019 (EDT)
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==Hey, it's an historical fact==
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It needs to be [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=2020_Democrat_primaries&diff=1538380&oldid=1538361 contemporaneously and properly chronicled] somewhere. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 17:02, 9 July 2019 (EDT)
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:Haha. Not in the 2020 Democrat primaries article, though.  [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 17:21, 9 July 2019 (EDT)
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== The bad news keeps rolling in for militant atheism in 2019 ==
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[[File:Freethoughtblogs.com alexa 3-12-2019.png|thumbnail|center|400px|According to Alexa, on March 12, 2019, Freethoughtblogs was the  90,419th most popular website in the world.]]
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On August 8, 2019, [[Freethought Blogs]] was the 110,418th most popular website in the world according to Alexa.
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If this weren't bad enough, the atheist controlled, communist Chinese economy is showing signs of slowing down. Trump has the upper hand in the trade war and will bring the commie, technology stealing, bastards to their knees! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUKmrxb2xxA Larry Kudlow: The Chinese economy is crumbling] and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGnF6pqjCwo China feeling more economic pain than realized: Strategas' Clifton].
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2019 is a terrible year for militant atheists.
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"We're gonna win so much, you may even get tired of winning and you'll say 'Please, please, it's too much winning. We can't take it any more. Mr. President, it's too much'." - Donald Trump.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:16, 8 August 2019 (EDT)
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[[File:Donald Trump official presidential photo.jpg|thumbnail|200px|center|"America is a nation of believers, and together we are strengthened by the power of prayer." - President [[Donald Trump]] ]]
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[[File:President Barack Obama.jpg|thumb|600px|center|We should soundly reject language coming out of the mouths of any of our leaders that feeds a climate of fear and hatred or normalizes racist sentiments; leaders who demonize those who don’t look like us, or suggest that other people, including immigrants, threaten our way of life, or refer to other people as sub-human, or imply that America belongs to just one certain type of people. Such language isn’t new — it’s been at the root of most human tragedy throughout history, here in America and around the world. It is at the root of slavery and Jim Crow, the Holocaust, the genocide in Rwanda and ethnic cleansing in the Balkans. It has no place in our politics and our public life. And it’s time for the overwhelming majority of Americans of goodwill, of every race and faith and political party, to say as much — clearly and unequivocally. [https://mobile.twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1158453079035002881 Barack Obama, 5 Aug 2019] ]]
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:3 Points: 1)[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg8UP_3CXhU Study Shows Donald Trump Has Made America LESS Racist]. 2)[https://news.stanford.edu/pr/2009/pr-obamarac-030409.html Backing Obama gives some voters license to favor whites over blacks, Standford University study shows]. 3) [https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/05/politics/obama-race-relations-poll/index.html Most say race relations worsened under Obama, poll finds], CNN 2016.
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:Obama stoked racial strife. Trump is focusing on making an economy that is making Black/Latino/Asian/women unemployment at record lows.[https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2018/june/did-you-hear-black-unemployment-plunges-to-historic-low-under-trump-economy]
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:Game over. Trump continues to win and win and win. Obama's attempt to do a "Racism!" Hail Mary pass is a sign of weakness and desperation.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:45, 8 August 2019 (EDT)
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::I'd hang fire on the victory lap. Key majorities for Trump is racist: blacks (80%), women (59%), independents (56%), Hispanics (55%), white women (!) (53%), overall (51%). [https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/07/31/donald-trump-racist-majority-say-quinnipiac-university-poll/1877168001/] [https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3636]
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::It's the women that should really terrify you, especially if you paid any attention to the 2018 exit polling. [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 22:05, 9 August 2019 (EDT)
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:::Congrats, JohnZ - by picking a story from the liberal-biased USA Today (whose anti-Trump hit piece is not credible by any means because ''fake news''), you just shot your own argument to pieces.  [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 03:30, 10 August 2019 (EDT)
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::::Aye. Thanks for popping in, son. [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 16:52, 10 August 2019 (EDT)
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:::::You're not doing yourself any favors by reacting dismissively to having your claims about "racism" exposed and discredited, JohnZ.  [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 20:06, 10 August 2019 (EDT)
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Professor [[Eric Kaufmann]], who is an agnostic, multiracial himself and grew up in a cosmopolitan area (he specializes in how race/religion/irreligion affect politics), points out that love for your own people/race/ethnocultural group (white identity, German-American, white British, etc.) is not necessarily hatred of other races/ethnic groups (racism). He also says politics on immigration are driven by anxieties related to ethnocultural change and threats to identity. If memory serves, he also argues that as more and more multiracial people are born this century, this will be less of an issue. Also, if memory serves, he argues that politicians pushing down discussions of immigration/ethnocultural change and working out some kind of compromise fuels right-wing nationalism. See: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdQaD_RaZ4I Eric Kaufmann on Nationalism, White Identity & Immigration].
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If memory serves, Kaufmann essentially argues that the Singapore model is the way to tamp down hostility when it comes to race/immigration/anxieties about ethnocultural change, etc.
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"Singapore is not a melting pot, but a society where each race is encouraged to preserve its unique culture and traditions, and appreciate and respect that of others, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said on Friday (May 19)." - Straight Times[https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/singapolitics/pm-whether-chinese-malay-or-indian-a-singaporean-can-spot-a-fellow-citizen]
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So if I am not mistaken, if the USA adopted the Singapore model, whites would also be encouraged to celebrate their culture/traditions in the USA. Like a "white history month" in the USA, for example.
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What we have in the USA is leftists in academia, etc. denigrating whites - especially white males and essentially telling them to shut up. Of course, this just breeds resentment.
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Personally, I think the best way to improve the situation is Christian evangelism. The Bible is clear that all people are descended from Adam and Eve about 6,000 years ago. Therefore, they must be very closely related.[https://creation.com/bible-interracial-marriage] I don't even think the Bible talks about race. It mentions nations instead. And it is often argued that [[John Wesley]] avoided England from having a violent revolution like secular France did. 
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On the other hand, I definitely know that godlessness/evolutionism caused racial disharmony (see: [[Evolutionary racism]]) and French atheists played a role in a very bloody and repressive revolution.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:42, 10 August 2019 (EDT)
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:I thought about this matter a bit more as I remembered reading various material relating to this matter. And especially when it comes to the above statement "The Bible is clear that all people are descended from Adam and Eve about 6,000 years ago. Therefore, they must be very closely related.[https://creation.com/bible-interracial-marriage] I don't even think the Bible talks about race. It mentions nations instead."
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:If I understand the issue correctly from a scientific point of view, ''Race Is a Social Construct, Scientists Argue. Racial categories are weak proxies for genetic diversity and need to be phased out''.[https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/race-is-a-social-construct-scientists-argue/]
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:"If a team of scientists in Philadelphia and New York have their way, using race to categorize groups of people in biological and genetic research will be forever discontinued. The concept of race in such research is “problematic at best and harmful at worst,” the researchers argued in a new paper published in the journal ''Science'' on Friday.[https://www.huffpost.com/entry/race-is-not-biological_n_56b8db83e4b04f9b57da89ed]
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:[[Bible scientific foreknowledge]] strikes again! Race is merely a rather meaningless concept that godless, liberals obsess about, but is rather pointless to do so.  The concept of race is unbiblical!  Nations! Nations! Nations! And on the day of Pentecost in the Book of Acts, people from all nations were there.[https://www.icr.org/article/every-nation-under-heaven-using-understand/] In addition, Christ told the disciples to go out and make disciples of all nations (Matthew 28:19).[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:17, 10 August 2019 (EDT)
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::Question: Why do godless, leftists hate science, while young earth creationists love science? As much as I hate to do it, I am afraid I am going to have to declare victory - again! You know, I almost tire of winning. I think I will send a letter to President Trump and tell him: "Please, please, there's too much winning."[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:28, 10 August 2019 (EDT)
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:::You're right that analysis of the human genome doesn't tell us anything useful about race / ethnicity. The genetic variations that produce differences in skin colour and physiognomy, etc. are so small as to be meaningless when set against our overwhelming genetic similarity with each other. National Geographic has a [https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/race-genetics-science-africa/ good explainer on the subject].
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:::Ideas about race aren't going away any time soon, though, and there is obviously still a significant number of people who are more than happy to assert that some races are inferior to others, and to act accordingly. It should trouble you that Trump's words often give succour to such people. [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 13:15, 11 August 2019 (EDT)
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::::As far as an racism, I don't see much difference between Trump/Biden. They both come from the same generation (Biden said Obama was "clean" and he recently made another gaffe relating to "race").
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::::As far as the younger Democrats who are less racist, they are embracing leftist ideas that would tank the USA economy. And if the USA economy tanks, it will cause a lot of problems throughout the world.
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::::I also know that the Democrats are embracing a lot of anti-civilizational ideas. Many areas where the Democrats have had solid control for years are in bad shape. Why? Big goverment and the state is losing power throughout the world (insurgents are defeating armies due to [[fourth-generation warfare]], Venuezela failed, Europe stagnating and declining, governments having problems controlling narrative due to internet, right-wing nationalism surging in Europe, welfare states are failing such as Greece, etc. Even repressive China has problems controlling Hong Kong).
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::::Lastly, the Chinese communists are evil, stealing USA technology and Trump is willing to take them on. See: [https://medium.com/datadriveninvestor/china-is-exporting-their-surveillance-technology-and-repressive-ideology-5d99aa7e90ae China is Exporting its Surveillance Technology and Repressive Ideology]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:44, 12 August 2019 (EDT)
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I also think the Democrats quest for equality of results in terms of people's income, etc. (rather than focus on giving people opportunity) with a lot of wealth redistribution is idiotic. I have not read this book, but I probably agree with it: [http://www.henrydampier.com/2015/03/book-review-equality-the-impossible-quest/ Equality: The Impossible Quest]. People have different levels of ambition, moral character, talents, etc. 
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The truth is that in the developed world, even poor people often have cable, air conditioning, etc.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:02, 12 August 2019 (EDT)
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:It's in really poor taste to communicate with someone who is blocked.  I'm sure that, as an educated and decent person, you know that.  Why don't you hold off for another day, or else unblock him?  [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:18, 12 August 2019 (EDT)
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::To be fair, he's only blocked for a couple of days, which isn't nearly long enough to come across as foul. Now, a couple of months, and it being early into the ban, yeah, that definitely would be in poor taste. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 07:37, 12 August 2019 (EDT)
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== The left lacks machismo ==
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*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-f0rNfQyi4 The Political Right is TAKING OVER Latin America]
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I always knew that leftists lacked machismo.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:47, 14 August 2019 (EDT)

Latest revision as of 00:44, 18 August 2019

What is required for you to fully restore your editing privileges if you return after your 5 year block

If you create two quality, well-sourced, original articles of at least 2,00 words on these topics Anti-religious Soviet Union propaganda and Christian persecution in communist China, you will fully restore your editing privileges at his wiki. If someone/others create quality content on one or more of these topics at this wiki before you do, an alternative option will be chosen for you. You cannot edit other portions of this wiki until the articles are completed. Conservative (talk) 23:36, 7 November 2018 (EST)

Conservative: Facebook & Twitter need help handing out arbitrary and ideological blocks. Maybe you can get a job there. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 23:41, 7 November 2018 (EST)
John Z:Thanks for copy editing my articles, and for the research material you provided. I believe your block is wholy unwarranted and violates CP rules, but there's nothing I can do about it. Good luck! RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 23:38, 7 November 2018 (EST)
If memory serves, this was related to a 90/10 rule or JohnZ's overabundance of main page talk posts relative to the value of his contributions.Conservative (talk) 12:19, 29 April 2019 (EDT)

Thanks for edit

Thanks for removing the duplicated paragraph in vaccine. I don't know how that mistake happened. Appreciate your correction of it.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 13:07, 16 March 2019 (EDT)

Cheers. Probably just someone experimenting with paragraph order and then getting distracted. JohnZ (talk) 22:06, 16 March 2019 (EDT)

The User: Conservative account and its number of editors

JohnZ, key question: Did the same person write these articles: Atheism and the persecution of homosexuals and Atheism and women and homosexuality?

Please address both the writing and footnoting styles of the three articles. Also, address any quote box differences. In addition, address any differences in points of view.Conservative (talk) 12:33, 11 April 2019 (EDT)

Let's imagine they were written by different people. That doesn't alter the fact there's a huge (and ongoing) body of work which can be linked directly to a certain gentleman apologist whose name sounds very much like Ben Le Wire.
In fact, I think I'll just call you Ben from now on. Much easier to type than The Apologist Formerly Known As __________. JohnZ (talk) 21:07, 11 April 2019 (EDT)
Your reply was a dodge. Does the weight of evidence point to the three articles not being largely written by the same person? Please address both the writing and footnoting styles of the three articles. Also, address any quote box differences. In addition, address any differences in points of view.Conservative (talk) 22:18, 11 April 2019 (EDT)
When Cons gets on a tear involving more than one person (actual people, not his multiple personalities), he sometimes posts his stuff independently to everyone's talk page. You seem to be a victim of the most recent instance of this. So it might interest you to partake of my rather lengthy replies starting at [1]. Cheers, SamHB (talk) 21:47, 13 April 2019 (EDT)
Aye, cheers. I'm inclined to indulge his multiple users gambit. We can't disprove it and it's irrelevant anyway, given the vast amount of writing that can be linked back to his real life identity. JohnZ (talk) 16:59, 14 April 2019 (EDT)

Don't miss this classic rebuttal to SamHB about the User: Conservative account being used by more than one person

SamHB, did you notice that editor of the Atheism and the persecution of homosexuals used the term LGBTQ. Personally, I think the Q is rather redundant so I am not a fan of this term. How often was the term LGBTQ used in other articles created by the User: Conservative account? Of course, this is yet another sign there is more than one editor of the User: Conservative account.

And then there are the stylistic issues of: the footnoting style differences; the quote box differences; the greater tendency to put footnotes in the middle of sentences; the multiple use of the word gay in the article which is a term I rarely use; the dependent clause "as such" used in the beginning of a sentence which I believe I have never done in any of my writings at Conservapedia and finally the multiple use of the word "régime" in the article/page (I may have used the term "regime" in my articles but I never spelled it "régime").

SamHB, it's time to face that more than one editor has used the User: Conservative account.Conservative (talk) 23:30, 13 April 2019 (EDT)

Have you noticed that User: Karajou, who commonly uses check user, has never disputed the notion that more than one editor has used (or uses) the User: Conservative account?Conservative (talk) 06:15, 14 April 2019 (EDT)
Hi Ben. My reply wasn't a dodge - it was a polite way of saying your multiple users gambit is irrelevant. For the avoidance of all further doubt, I hereby concede the logical possibility that people other than you (Ben Le Wire) have edited Conservapedia using your account.
With that said, I repeat: The real life identity of the primary user of the User:Conservative account is well known, and his writing / argumentation style is unmistakable. Hyraxes chewing the cud, etc. No amount of dissembling is going to change this.
Given your astonishing gift for apologist verbiage, any collaborators face an almighty task to wrest the title of primary user away from you. JohnZ (talk) 16:59, 14 April 2019 (EDT)

Conservapedia triumphs over atheist/agnostic wiki

Have you read the essay: Conservapedia triumphs over atheist/agnostic wiki?

"There is no substitute for victory." - Douglas MacArthurConservative (talk) 20:38, 15 April 2019 (EDT)

Two more must read articles: The excitement is raging!

Please read this article: Essay: Conservapedia's effect on the atheist population

Please read this: Essay: The atheism killing atheist wiki that Conservapedia spawned

P.S. I am not tired of winning despite Donald Trump's promise that I would tire of it. :)Conservative (talk) 15:55, 17 April 2019 (EDT)

Glad to hear it, man. For your victory lap (and great justice). JohnZ (talk) 16:06, 17 April 2019 (EDT)

Your recent emotional response to one of my articles

If some of my material relating to atheism makes you emotionally distraught (or in the parlance of SJWs should I say triggered), censorship is not an option. And as British atheists/agnostics have admitted, my material is factual, well sourced and can make good points (see: Essay: British agnostic acknowledges the reasonableness of a User: Conservative editor and Essay: A British atheist on Conservapedia's atheism articles).

I trust this clarifies my position on atheists attempting to censor the material produced using the User:Conservative account (this month an additional editor was added to the editing team).Conservative (talk) 11:11, 29 April 2019 (EDT)

By the way, I added material to the Communist China and baby eating article. The material was from ABC News and The Atlantic (one was a quotation and the other was put in the external link section). I realize this material may not fit your secular leftist narrative and pop the atheist bubble you have encased yourself in, yet the material will not be censored by you.Conservative (talk) 16:16, 29 April 2019 (EDT)

What is required for you to fully restore your editing privileges if you return after your 3 month block

Upon your return from your 3 month block, if you create one quality, well-sourced, original article of at least 2,000 words on one of these topics Anti-religious Soviet Union propaganda and Christian persecution in communist China, you will fully restore your editing privileges at his wiki. If someone/others create quality content on one or more of these topics at this wiki before you do, an alternative option will be chosen for you. You cannot edit other portions of this wiki until the article is completed.

I am not going to change my position on this matter.Conservative (talk) 13:27, 29 April 2019 (EDT)

By the way, the User: Conservative account is a mixture of Protestant/Catholic editors (I have asked the Catholic editors to refrain from anti-Protestant posts using the User: Conservative account). A message from one of the User: Conservative Catholic editors to the British atheist JohnZ: Deus vult!Conservative (talk) 13:52, 29 April 2019 (EDT)
Check the original diff and scroll down to the article preview. All the information is still there. I removed a) straightforward duplicate info, and b) the part where you'd copy/pasted the headline and straplines from the article, because it didn't make any sense having them in the body of the blockquote. JohnZ (talk) 21:37, 29 April 2019 (EDT)
There appears to be a minor disagreement or misunderstanding. I had a hair trigger and assumed the worst when I should not have. I shouldn't have been in a rush. This shows that multitasking can cause issues. For the most part, I have decided to avoid multitasking when possible. The experts on productivity say to avoid multitasking. I short, I overreacted. My apologies. Andy was right in overruling my block. Anyways, leave the article the way it is and let's move on.Conservative (talk) 22:01, 29 April 2019 (EDT)
Aye, no worries. Mistakes happen. JohnZ (talk) 19:29, 1 May 2019 (EDT)

Donald Trump's achievements keep rolling in

The New York Times FINALLY Admits: The World is Turning Nationalist Populist.[2]

The New York Times article admitted that this statement of Donald Trump was prophetic: "We gonna win so much you may even get tired of winning and you'll say please, please Mr. President, It's too much winning! We can't take it anymore!"Conservative (talk) 13:34, 27 May 2019 (EDT)

For further clarification, please see: Donald Trump achievements.Conservative (talk) 13:39, 27 May 2019 (EDT)

Hey, it's an historical fact

It needs to be contemporaneously and properly chronicled somewhere. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 17:02, 9 July 2019 (EDT)

Haha. Not in the 2020 Democrat primaries article, though. JohnZ (talk) 17:21, 9 July 2019 (EDT)

The bad news keeps rolling in for militant atheism in 2019

According to Alexa, on March 12, 2019, Freethoughtblogs was the 90,419th most popular website in the world.

On August 8, 2019, Freethought Blogs was the 110,418th most popular website in the world according to Alexa.

If this weren't bad enough, the atheist controlled, communist Chinese economy is showing signs of slowing down. Trump has the upper hand in the trade war and will bring the commie, technology stealing, bastards to their knees! Larry Kudlow: The Chinese economy is crumbling and China feeling more economic pain than realized: Strategas' Clifton.

2019 is a terrible year for militant atheists.

"We're gonna win so much, you may even get tired of winning and you'll say 'Please, please, it's too much winning. We can't take it any more. Mr. President, it's too much'." - Donald Trump.Conservative (talk) 20:16, 8 August 2019 (EDT)

"America is a nation of believers, and together we are strengthened by the power of prayer." - President Donald Trump
We should soundly reject language coming out of the mouths of any of our leaders that feeds a climate of fear and hatred or normalizes racist sentiments; leaders who demonize those who don’t look like us, or suggest that other people, including immigrants, threaten our way of life, or refer to other people as sub-human, or imply that America belongs to just one certain type of people. Such language isn’t new — it’s been at the root of most human tragedy throughout history, here in America and around the world. It is at the root of slavery and Jim Crow, the Holocaust, the genocide in Rwanda and ethnic cleansing in the Balkans. It has no place in our politics and our public life. And it’s time for the overwhelming majority of Americans of goodwill, of every race and faith and political party, to say as much — clearly and unequivocally. Barack Obama, 5 Aug 2019
3 Points: 1)Study Shows Donald Trump Has Made America LESS Racist. 2)Backing Obama gives some voters license to favor whites over blacks, Standford University study shows. 3) Most say race relations worsened under Obama, poll finds, CNN 2016.
Obama stoked racial strife. Trump is focusing on making an economy that is making Black/Latino/Asian/women unemployment at record lows.[3]
Game over. Trump continues to win and win and win. Obama's attempt to do a "Racism!" Hail Mary pass is a sign of weakness and desperation.Conservative (talk) 21:45, 8 August 2019 (EDT)
I'd hang fire on the victory lap. Key majorities for Trump is racist: blacks (80%), women (59%), independents (56%), Hispanics (55%), white women (!) (53%), overall (51%). [4] [5]
It's the women that should really terrify you, especially if you paid any attention to the 2018 exit polling. JohnZ (talk) 22:05, 9 August 2019 (EDT)
Congrats, JohnZ - by picking a story from the liberal-biased USA Today (whose anti-Trump hit piece is not credible by any means because fake news), you just shot your own argument to pieces. Northwest (talk) 03:30, 10 August 2019 (EDT)
Aye. Thanks for popping in, son. JohnZ (talk) 16:52, 10 August 2019 (EDT)
You're not doing yourself any favors by reacting dismissively to having your claims about "racism" exposed and discredited, JohnZ. Northwest (talk) 20:06, 10 August 2019 (EDT)

Professor Eric Kaufmann, who is an agnostic, multiracial himself and grew up in a cosmopolitan area (he specializes in how race/religion/irreligion affect politics), points out that love for your own people/race/ethnocultural group (white identity, German-American, white British, etc.) is not necessarily hatred of other races/ethnic groups (racism). He also says politics on immigration are driven by anxieties related to ethnocultural change and threats to identity. If memory serves, he also argues that as more and more multiracial people are born this century, this will be less of an issue. Also, if memory serves, he argues that politicians pushing down discussions of immigration/ethnocultural change and working out some kind of compromise fuels right-wing nationalism. See: Eric Kaufmann on Nationalism, White Identity & Immigration.

If memory serves, Kaufmann essentially argues that the Singapore model is the way to tamp down hostility when it comes to race/immigration/anxieties about ethnocultural change, etc.

"Singapore is not a melting pot, but a society where each race is encouraged to preserve its unique culture and traditions, and appreciate and respect that of others, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said on Friday (May 19)." - Straight Times[6]

So if I am not mistaken, if the USA adopted the Singapore model, whites would also be encouraged to celebrate their culture/traditions in the USA. Like a "white history month" in the USA, for example.

What we have in the USA is leftists in academia, etc. denigrating whites - especially white males and essentially telling them to shut up. Of course, this just breeds resentment.

Personally, I think the best way to improve the situation is Christian evangelism. The Bible is clear that all people are descended from Adam and Eve about 6,000 years ago. Therefore, they must be very closely related.[7] I don't even think the Bible talks about race. It mentions nations instead. And it is often argued that John Wesley avoided England from having a violent revolution like secular France did.

On the other hand, I definitely know that godlessness/evolutionism caused racial disharmony (see: Evolutionary racism) and French atheists played a role in a very bloody and repressive revolution.Conservative (talk) 17:42, 10 August 2019 (EDT)

I thought about this matter a bit more as I remembered reading various material relating to this matter. And especially when it comes to the above statement "The Bible is clear that all people are descended from Adam and Eve about 6,000 years ago. Therefore, they must be very closely related.[8] I don't even think the Bible talks about race. It mentions nations instead."
If I understand the issue correctly from a scientific point of view, Race Is a Social Construct, Scientists Argue. Racial categories are weak proxies for genetic diversity and need to be phased out.[9]
"If a team of scientists in Philadelphia and New York have their way, using race to categorize groups of people in biological and genetic research will be forever discontinued. The concept of race in such research is “problematic at best and harmful at worst,” the researchers argued in a new paper published in the journal Science on Friday.[10]
Bible scientific foreknowledge strikes again! Race is merely a rather meaningless concept that godless, liberals obsess about, but is rather pointless to do so. The concept of race is unbiblical! Nations! Nations! Nations! And on the day of Pentecost in the Book of Acts, people from all nations were there.[11] In addition, Christ told the disciples to go out and make disciples of all nations (Matthew 28:19).Conservative (talk) 18:17, 10 August 2019 (EDT)
Question: Why do godless, leftists hate science, while young earth creationists love science? As much as I hate to do it, I am afraid I am going to have to declare victory - again! You know, I almost tire of winning. I think I will send a letter to President Trump and tell him: "Please, please, there's too much winning."Conservative (talk) 18:28, 10 August 2019 (EDT)
You're right that analysis of the human genome doesn't tell us anything useful about race / ethnicity. The genetic variations that produce differences in skin colour and physiognomy, etc. are so small as to be meaningless when set against our overwhelming genetic similarity with each other. National Geographic has a good explainer on the subject.
Ideas about race aren't going away any time soon, though, and there is obviously still a significant number of people who are more than happy to assert that some races are inferior to others, and to act accordingly. It should trouble you that Trump's words often give succour to such people. JohnZ (talk) 13:15, 11 August 2019 (EDT)
As far as an racism, I don't see much difference between Trump/Biden. They both come from the same generation (Biden said Obama was "clean" and he recently made another gaffe relating to "race").
As far as the younger Democrats who are less racist, they are embracing leftist ideas that would tank the USA economy. And if the USA economy tanks, it will cause a lot of problems throughout the world.
I also know that the Democrats are embracing a lot of anti-civilizational ideas. Many areas where the Democrats have had solid control for years are in bad shape. Why? Big goverment and the state is losing power throughout the world (insurgents are defeating armies due to fourth-generation warfare, Venuezela failed, Europe stagnating and declining, governments having problems controlling narrative due to internet, right-wing nationalism surging in Europe, welfare states are failing such as Greece, etc. Even repressive China has problems controlling Hong Kong).
Lastly, the Chinese communists are evil, stealing USA technology and Trump is willing to take them on. See: China is Exporting its Surveillance Technology and Repressive Ideology. Conservative (talk) 00:44, 12 August 2019 (EDT)

I also think the Democrats quest for equality of results in terms of people's income, etc. (rather than focus on giving people opportunity) with a lot of wealth redistribution is idiotic. I have not read this book, but I probably agree with it: Equality: The Impossible Quest. People have different levels of ambition, moral character, talents, etc.

The truth is that in the developed world, even poor people often have cable, air conditioning, etc.Conservative (talk) 01:02, 12 August 2019 (EDT)

It's in really poor taste to communicate with someone who is blocked. I'm sure that, as an educated and decent person, you know that. Why don't you hold off for another day, or else unblock him? SamHB (talk) 01:18, 12 August 2019 (EDT)
To be fair, he's only blocked for a couple of days, which isn't nearly long enough to come across as foul. Now, a couple of months, and it being early into the ban, yeah, that definitely would be in poor taste. Pokeria1 (talk) 07:37, 12 August 2019 (EDT)

The left lacks machismo

I always knew that leftists lacked machismo.Conservative (talk) 00:47, 14 August 2019 (EDT)