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:I didn't block him. I thought we were trying to have a conversation. I've been very busy with other things, and would like to investigate some of those links as time is available. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 22:48, 15 July 2019 (EDT)
:I didn't block him. I thought we were trying to have a conversation. I've been very busy with other things, and would like to investigate some of those links as time is available. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 22:48, 15 July 2019 (EDT)
::This same person has been defacing communism-related articles on this site. He cited Communist Douglas Tottle's book which was discredited and pulled not long after it was released. He cites Leftist rags like HuffPo. Surely you know that Holodomor deniers are full of it, right? All indications by his tone are that he wants to feed his ego by proving himself right, not engage in legitimate, open-minded dialogue. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 23:11, 15 July 2019 (EDT)
::This same person has been defacing communism-related articles on this site. He cited Communist Douglas Tottle's book which was discredited and pulled not long after it was released. He cites Leftist rags like HuffPo. Surely you know that Holodomor deniers are full of it, right? All indications by his tone are that he wants to feed his ego by proving himself right, not engage in legitimate, open-minded dialogue. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 23:11, 15 July 2019 (EDT)
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Useful links


Hello, RobSmith, and welcome to Conservapedia!

We're glad you are here to edit. We ask that you read our Editor's Guide before you edit.

At the right are some useful links for you. You can include these links on your user page by putting "{{Useful links}}" on the page. Any questions--ask!

Thanks for reading, RobSmith!


A quick hello

Hello Rob!

I am a new user to Conservapedia and wanted to engage in the community more and saw you were a regular user. I hope I am using your talk page correctly so apologies if I am not. Would you have any advice on how I may improve my presence and reputation in this community?

Many thanks,

Alexis Toburn.

I need a research assistant. What are your areas of specialty or interest? RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 21:42, 15 July 2019 (EDT)

quick note

The Conservapedia article on the Soviet Union ranks pretty well at the the search engines of Google, Yahoo and Bing. I spruced up the Soviet Union article via some pictures and now it ranks #5 at Google for the search term Soviet Union as can be seen HERE

Bottom line: Your Soviet Union and communism related material plus any future material you create in that genre will now have a bigger audience.

Lastly, I think it is best if we put aside our past differences and work more cooperatively in the future. Best wishes on your future editing. Conservative 16:45, 15 November 2011 (EST)


Nice to see you back--CamilleT 19:27, 15 November 2011 (EST)

Thanks! Rob Smith 15:59, 21 November 2011 (EST)

So, are you trying to whitewash Gingrich and his personal history? He's an adulterer several times over. --SharonW 18:58, 22 January 2012 (EST) Edited to add - every bit of what I added to the article was referenced. I thought we didn't censor truth? --SharonW 18:59, 22 January 2012 (EST)

No. Information needs to carefully vetted. There's a lot of lies and misinformation out there about Newt, his first wife being served with divorce papers on her deathbed being for instance. This material needs to be handles carefully. Rob Smith 19:01, 22 January 2012 (EST)
I didn't add anything to the article about "deathbed" papers. However you deleted everything - looks like a whitewash to me. --SharonW 19:05, 22 January 2012 (EST)
In fact - you were the one to add something in about the deathbed papers. SharonW 19:06, 22 January 2012 (EST)
You're right -- and the message is proceed with caution. For decades now liberals and MSM have published blatant lies about Gingrich. You need to show credentials your intentions are not the same. Rob Smith 19:09, 22 January 2012 (EST)
I need to show credentials? What kind of credentials are you looking for, Rob? --SharonW 19:18, 22 January 2012 (EST)
That you're not a God-hating commie out to destroy Newt Gingrich. Rob Smith 19:31, 22 January 2012 (EST)
Gingrich did that pretty well on his own, as far as I'm concerned. Everyone has hot buttons - Andy's is abortion, yours is communism, mine is adultery. Gingrich is a creep, and what he does in his personal life tells me a lot about him. --SharonW 19:35, 22 January 2012 (EST)

Also, quick question - why is it important to add that the Clintons had an "open" marriage but not to add that Gingrich had at least 2 affairs, and forced his first ex-wife to appeal to the courts for money in order to support their two children? Both are very telling about the individuals. --SharonW 19:24, 22 January 2012 (EST)

Should we include allegations Hilary is a lesbian? her formal and public denial during the 2008 Presidential contest doesn't mean it's necessarily untrue. Especially given the Clinton's record in matters of sex. Where should we draw the line? Rob Smith 19:31, 22 January 2012 (EST)
Court records aren't allegations, Rob, they're public records. Mrs. Gingrich filed for support because Gingrich didn't pay. What does that tell you about him? --SharonW 19:35, 22 January 2012 (EST)
I don't know, that she's vindictive? that she and her lawyer tried to embarrass and blackmail Gingrich? What do Gingric's daughters, for whom the support is intended, say about it now? Rob Smith 19:45, 22 January 2012 (EST)
Oh, good one, Rob. The soon-to-be-ex-wife is vindictive when her bills were two to three months past due because Gingrich didn't pay any support. What did the judge think - oh, wait, he agreed with her. So I can only think you approve of adultery. --SharonW 19:49, 22 January 2012 (EST)


No more edit-warring. Please provide evidence that what has been added is false before removing it. Thank you, babe. --SharonW 22:14, 22 January 2012 (EST)

Rugby World Cup comparison to Superbowl

User:ScottDG informed me that, according to you, a comparison to the Superbowl is important for the Rugby World Cup page. I think it's inaccurate and slightly misleading, but I'm unaware of the reasoning as to why it is important. Here's the discussion. Cheers.


I uploaded the poser pic at Conservapedia:Image_upload_requests --Jpatt 23:10, 27 January 2012 (EST)


Working hard? --Joaquín Martínez 19:12, 28 January 2012 (EST)

Yes. Thank you. Good to hear from you. Rob Smith 19:18, 28 January 2012 (EST)


Your gratuitous insulting behaviour might be tolerated on other sites, but lets keep the conversations civil here. You do not see me going around insulting your country do you? --DamianJohn 20:49, 28 January 2012 (EST)

Third World is not an insult. Rob Smith 16:19, 29 January 2012 (EST)
Yes it is. Don't get cute Rob. Can't you go about editing an encyclopaedia without hurling insults at everyone? Or is that beyond your capabilities? --DamianJohn 18:12, 29 January 2012 (EST)
If the term "Third World" is a pejorative, blame the United Nations, not me. Rob Smith 19:21, 29 January 2012 (EST)
No. I blame you Rob, because the word no longer has the meaning it used to have. Also, you could not say with a straight face that you were using the word in the anachronistic sense. In any case, even under the older sense of the word, New Zealand was a first world country. Every post you make you look more and more foolish. --DamianJohn 19:33, 29 January 2012 (EST)
New Zealand is a Superpower? don't think so; New Zealand's not even a member of NATO or the European Union. New Zealand may be among the developed nations, which could earn it Second World status, dependent upon the level of its foreign debt and trade surplus/ deficit. But even if it has a fairly decent living standard by world standards, adjustment must be made for its military and defense contributions to maintaining a stable international trading system. And if it spends .01% as Japan does of it's national income on defense, leaving American taxpayers to pick up the slack (and thus, suffer a lower standard of living) no way does New Zealand under any circumstances equal First World superpower status of the US. Rob Smith 19:56, 29 January 2012 (EST)
I know of no person, except you, who claims that first world means superpower. Even your cite doesn't argue for this. In fact your cite explicitly calls NZ a first world country. Now if you want to make up a definition for a term, at least have the decency to let everyone know that. I don't know if you are just trolling, or you seriously believe what you are saying, either way, I suggest you go have a long hard look at yourself in the mirror. I'm done with you. --DamianJohn 20:15, 29 January 2012 (EST)
Congratulations, welcome to the First World. You'll see, it's no big deal. Rob Smith 20:32, 29 January 2012 (EST)

I hear your country got the beginnings of a health-care system, I see America is rapidly approaching first-world status :), glad you could join us. Cmurphynz 05:37, 20 October 2012 (EDT)

Expansion of the universe

Yes, Rob, if you look at a star today, and then 500 years from now, you will notice a difference in distance of 500*rate of yearly expansion. RachelW 20:59, 30 January 2012 (EST)

The rate of expansion is about 73 km/s/Mpc. What that means is that for every megaparsec you are in distance from a point, you will be moving 73 km/s away from that point due to the expansion of the universe. So, 1 megaparsec away means you are moving 73 km/s, 2 megaparsecs away and its 146 km/s, and so on. For your reference, a megaparsec is about 3,261,636 light years, or 20 billion billion miles. This is why we don't really notice the expansion of the universe without high powered telescopes. Its a very small rate of expansion relative to the sizes involved. Hope this helps. RachelW 21:21, 30 January 2012 (EST)

It does. So the gravitationally bound objects likewise are moving with the expansion at the same rate? Is matter in the universe likewise expanding? Not to sound absurd, but am I actually becoming more obese as the universe expands? Rob Smith 22:01, 30 January 2012 (EST)

It is not the matter itself, expanding, but the space between it. Think about a lump of bread dough with raisins in it, as it rises in the oven. The raisins don't expand themselves, but if you stand on a raisin and look at the other raisins, you'll see them moving away from you, and the farther away they are, the faster they move.

The thing is, any two objects close enough to be bound gravitationally are not likely to be far enough away for the expansion to matter at all. Although, actually, since the rate of expansion is increasing, some scientists believe that in many many many billions of years in the future, the expansion may rip apart every atom in the universe. It's called the "Big Rip" theory, and yes, it is a little kooky. RachelW 22:13, 30 January 2012 (EST)

Oh, and as to the question of scale: You basically have to look at objects in other galaxies for the expansion to become noticeable. I won't see any expansion looking at stars in the Milky Way galaxy, but I will if I look at a star in a galaxy much farther away. And actually, the galaxy closest to us, Andromeda, is being drawn into our galaxy by gravity and so is not rushing away from us like most other galaxies are. RachelW 22:19, 30 January 2012 (EST)

Thank you. So I got it wrong, the theory states expansion is accelerating, not decreasing. Question: Will an observable object 13 billion lights year away be 13 + y billion lights years away in y billion years? Rob Smith 23:16, 30 January 2012 (EST)
Well, as we said before, for every 3.2 billion light years away you are, the speed increases by 73 km/s, or 45 miles per second. So, for an object 13 billion light years away, it will be traveling at about 180 miles per second relative to the earth, or 5.7 billion miles per year. So, in say, 1 billion years, that object will have traveled approximately 5.7 billion billion miles, or 970,000 light years, a change in distance of much less than one percent. RachelW 23:34, 30 January 2012 (EST)
Not quite. There's a bit of a compound interest effect involved. Every second another 73.8km gets added to the distance, and that's expanding as well. Over a few billion years that can add some real distance. --GeorgeLi 00:27, 31 January 2012 (EST)
The distance equation wouldn't be exactly linear, of course, but the change in distance really is so small that you can treat the speed as constant and it makes a very good approximation. RachelW 10:23, 31 January 2012 (EST)

Good work on Paul

I am very much liking what you are saying about St Paul. Very well put. Paul saw the light and stopped being a rule-obsessed Pharisee, yet people today try to turn him back into one. We shouldn't let them!--CPalmer 09:58, 23 February 2012 (EST)

That's right; User:Conservative is preaching a Gospel which basically says, "Ye must be circumcised and not be obese." Rob Smith 14:24, 23 February 2012 (EST)

You are unblocked

RobSmith, you are unblocked.

How about creating this project which could be featured on the main page: Conservapedia:Encyclopedia on Communism.

If you wanted and if this helps, this could serve as a template with any modifications you think are necessary: Conservapedia:Encyclopedia of Conservatism. Conservative 06:34, 25 May 2015 (EDT)

Welcome back!

So you were editing as "OscarO" nearly the whole time that you were blocked (all but 5 months)? Impressive. And it says something about the admins' ability to accurately identify sock accounts.

Anyway, you created an enormous amount of Venona material over at Ameriwiki. (Remember that?) There were approximately 3.847 gajillion articles, which I combined into one huge one because I was tired of seeing one of them come up every time I hit "random page". I assume you still have that material. If you don't have it, and you want it, I may be able to scrounge it up from when I exported the whole database before the site died. SamHB 22:03, 28 May 2015 (EDT)

yah yah, I was worried about that and would appreciate it. What happened to wikinet anyway?It died without fanfare and I lost tons of original creations. Rob Smith 00:01, 29 May 2015 (EDT)
I lost a lot too. When I saw that it was going away (long story) I exported the whole database; it's in an xml file, as I recall. I'm not familiar with xml extraction, but it was the best I could do. It's on one of my disks, I believe. I'll see what I can do, but it may take a while. SamHB 00:43, 29 May 2015 (EDT)
How many decent size articles are going to be recovered and put on CP? 05:25, 29 May 2015 (EDT)
I was simply offering this as a personal favor to Rob. I would do the same for SharonW or AlanE. Rob can put his material up if he chooses. If you are wondering whether I'm planning to bring over any of my own material, or anyone else's, the answer is no. It's a very long story, and I won't bore you with it, but essentially none of what I wrote for AW would be suitable for here, for various reasons—it's basically a difference of "vision". Also, what I wrote about science for AW used lots of pictures and diagrams, and I don't have upload rights. There have been a couple of very tiny exceptions, like what I wrote recently about Joseph Warren. I did that from memory. It's very interesting that he was the guy who "pushed the button" and made the decision to start the American Revolution, and I wanted that in the CP article. In any case, there was nothing about atheism and sailboats.  :-) SamHB 22:34, 29 May 2015 (EDT)
Yah virtually all of it is redundant. They're my original versions from WP, CP, and elsewhere. Rob Smith 00:02, 30 May 2015 (EDT)
Are you saying you don't need me to recover your AW material? I'll do it if you need me to, but it's something of a pain. So if you've saved it, or contributed it elsewhere, please use that. SamHB 00:12, 30 May 2015 (EDT)

Welcome back! --Joaquín Martínez 19:03, 31 May 2015 (EDT)

I sent you an email


I just sent you an email. Conservative 16:20, 10 June 2015 (EDT)

Had no idea this account was unblocked. Thanks. Have U seen my Global jihad essay? It's #16 on Google out of 2.4 million. Or my DAESH entry (well, not all mine) it has been in the top 6 of Google for one solid year now. Rob Smith (talk) 17:15, 23 March 2016 (EDT)
Glad you are getting some readers for your global jihad work. You put a lot of work into it. Same with the DAESH article.
As far as the title of the article "Essay: Global jihad", my guess is that people prefer articles and not essays. You would probably get more clicks if you didn't have the prefix "Essay".
My guess is that your article was too right wing for the website your wrote it for so you had to use the prefix essay.
I could be wrong though. I have had some popular web pages with the prefix essay that rank well for relevant terms at a search engine beginning with a G. :)
Anyways, take a look at my note below and I wish you all the best. Conservative (talk) 17:43, 24 April 2016 (EDT)

Conservapedia's web traffic is up

Conservapedia is one of the top 100,000 websites in the world as far as web traffic according to the web traffic tracking company Alexa,[1]

Thank you for all your contributions.

Conservapedia continues to receive millions of page views per month.Conservative (talk) 17:59, 19 April 2016 (EDT)

re: recent note to me


You wrote: "Accept my terms for returning...". I already recommended to the owner of CP that you be made a Sysop again. I set up the ball in front of net, now it's your job to spoke it over the net.

There is really nothing for me to accept. Only the owner of CP can reinstate your Sysop rights. Get in contact with the owner of CP and hammer something out.

I also suggest contacting Karajou. You want him to be for it and not against it.

I wish you the best in getting back your Sysop rights. Conservative (talk) 17:11, 24 April 2016 (EDT)

If you hit a wall when asking for your Sysop rights back, I suggest building up some goodwill with some new content at CP and then asking again. If necessary (and I don't think it would be necessary), keep repeating this cycle until your are a Sysop.
I really think it would be easy for your to get your Sysop rights again. You just need to put a little effort into it. Andy liked your content so I am confident things would work out. Conservative (talk) 17:28, 24 April 2016 (EDT)

Kept your content from being deleted.

There was an attempt to delete your Essay: New Ordeal content. I could see that you put a lot of work into it so I merely moved it so it would not be deleted.

I like the term "New Ordeal". It is clever. Conservative (talk) 23:26, 28 April 2016 (EDT)

Put this on Andy's talk page - work something out with Andy - RobS: Another reason why he should be an editor and subsequently be an admin. Something should be worked out

This was originally put on Talk:High_morale_of_Christendom, so as to get Cons's attention, and then moved here. SamHB (talk) 18:45, 1 May 2016 (EDT)
But it might interest you [that's Cons] to know that, back at Ameriwiki (you remember Ameriwiki? No? It's just as well) Rob wrote a gigantic number of articles about Communism in the 30's and 40's, and senator McCarthy, and FDR, and Venona, etc. etc. A biographical page for every person involved in that subject, and Rob is a walking encyclopedia of that. I believe there were hundreds of such pages. They swamped the "random page" thing. That is, when you clicked on "random page", you had a high probability of getting one. It made Ameriwiki look like an encyclopedia of Communism during the FDR administration, while I was trying to make it look like an encyclopedia of Americana and American history. (And mathematics too, of course.) Rob had put an enormous amount of effort into writing those articles, and I put an equally enormous amount of effort into combining them into sections of one huge page. Or several huge pages. Whatever. Rob and I communicated during this, and he appreciated the work I was doing. I assume he has saved all that stuff somewhere.
SamHB (talk) 00:26, 29 April 2016 (EDT)

If RobS has backups of his Ameriwiki articles, see if he wants to put them onto Conservapedia.

I may have a backup; I made an export of the whole web site, as a gigantic xml file, before Ameriwiki disappeared. I may have it on some disk somewhere. But I hope RobS has better things to do in 2016 than put that material up. SamHB (talk) 18:45, 1 May 2016 (EDT)

The middle/centrists appear to be dropping out of America politics somewhat and the far right/alt right and socialist wings appear to be growing. I am guessing there is some topical overlap between socialists and communists as there are anti-socialist communists, anti-communist socialists, etc. etc. etc.

In addition, communism articles and atheism articles at the same wiki is a great match. A good portion of people interested in atheism articles would also be interested in communism articles. The two areas are related as atheism was a central tenet of communism.

I do regret pushing for RobS to lose his admin status. Maybe he will decide to purse being an admin again. I know Andy liked his article contributions. Conservative (talk) 00:53, 29 April 2016 (EDT)

Winograd Commission (Democratic Party)

re: Winograd Commission (Democratic Party)

I made the change you requested. Sorry about my first attempt of "Winograd Commission (Wisconsin)". I did a favor for a friend last night and was up a bit late. I was a little groggy. Your suggestion made a lot more sense. Conservative (talk) 12:48, 15 May 2016 (EDT)

re: Hillary Clinton article

Given present demands on my time, I shouldn't have waded into the Hillary Clinton article and done it in a matter that minimized discussion.

If you want to revert the article to your last version, please do so.

Lastly, I don't see myself getting involved in any of the political oriented articles at Conservapedia in 2016 given my present priorities. Conservative (talk) 12:31, 21 May 2016 (EDT)

re: Hillary article

RobS, you can revert the Hillary Rodham Clinton article and then fill it in if you decide to be an active editor. I clearly said that.

Don't put back in the editorial warning in italics and the beginning of the article. See my talk page comments on this matter. Conservative (talk) 15:56, 22 May 2016 (EDT)

re: Hillary Clinton article - do whatever you want with the article

Do whatever you want with the Hillary Clinton article. I am not going to interfere again with any of your political content.

I will let the other admins/editors who are into politics more work with you on the political articles since they are more interested in politics than I am.

I am going to take a long break from the news and attend to other matters so I won't be doing any wiki content or oversight as far as political topics. Conservative (talk) 22:54, 22 May 2016 (EDT)

re: Detente

I am glad we are now in a period of detente.

Down the pike when I have more time at my disposal and should you remain an active editor, I will once again recommend you get your admin status back.

I have already changed Karajou's opinion so now he is in favor of it. And you are also closer down the field in terms of getting Andy to agree. Andy is a conservative lawyer and they tend to be a cautious lot, but I believe that if you are persistent that this will ultimately win the day. Conservative (talk) 17:03, 23 May 2016 (EDT)

re: You are farther down the proverbial football field and...

A standard football field (note the hash marks running horizontally down the field).

How you you like to make a play that would get you at the proverbial 99 yard line? Within inches of the full admin endzone.


I heard you are going to get picture upload rights as early as today. I asked for this to happen.

Question: How do you feel about get your Admin rights back, but agreeing to not edit the main page? That would put you on the proverbial 99 yard line. Within inches of crossing over the full Admin yard line and scoring a touchdown. I think if you were to agree to this, it could speed up the process of getting your full Admin rights back. Before you answer, consider this proverb "Inch by inch it's a inch. Mile by mile it's a trial".

It's time to make that play that gets you to the 99 yard line. Do it for the Gipper.

And remember, the prospect of eating a huge salami sausage at one sitting is a startling suggestion to most people. So let's not startle the conservative and cautious lawyer who owns this website. But who can resist salami slices? I think it's time for you to be one salami slice away from being a full Admin. Agreed? Conservative (talk) 17:56, 24 May 2016 (EDT)

(User rights log); 22:29 . . Aschlafly (Talk | contribs | block) changed group membership for User:RobSmith from Block, SkipCaptcha, edit, nsTeam2RO, nsTeam2RW, nsTeam2_talkRO and nsTeam2_talkRW to Block, SkipCaptcha, edit, nsTeam2RO, nsTeam2RW, nsTeam2_talkRO, nsTeam2_talkRW and Upload ‎(account promoted)
10 yards further down the field! It's time to make the play that gets you to the 99 yard line. Agreed? Conservative (talk) 18:33, 24 May 2016 (EDT)
Sounds like a winner. If I find any good news items or headlines (and I have some good sources), I'll put on mainpage talk.
FYI, I'm sitting right outside (about 150 ft) from a big Trump rally & counterprotest as we speak; two days ago Bernie Sanders was at this same location. The counterprotest is about half the size of the Sanders rally, and the Trump rally is about 3 times the size the Sanders rally was. Also, Bill Clinton is in across town right now, fighting a rear-guard action trying to hold on to what the Hillary people got; Trump's getting top billing in all local media, and Bill is pretty much ignored. RobS aka Nobs01Enter if you Dare! 90/10 Awaits: Beware! 19:47, 24 May 2016 (EDT)
Trump crowd is increasing, and he's not due to speak for another hour & 10 mins. Trump crowd is approaching the same size Obama drew in 2008, and is made up of people of all ages, races and sexes. Anti-Trump crowd is basically the same rioters we've had here during police shooting protests & Occupy Wall Street. It should be noted, I live in the most Hispanic state in the Union where Hispanics outnumber whites, natives etc. RobS aka Nobs01Enter if you Dare! 90/10 Awaits: Beware! 19:52, 24 May 2016 (EDT)

I will try to move this forward. I do have one request though.

Someone whined about your promotion and mentioned a previous block you received from Karajou. I looked through the blog log and a lot of people blocked you in the past. Let's turn the page as far as you locking horns with people when you can avoid doing so.

I might be able to get this done today as far as this proposal. I will be busy this week, but don't see a delay as a no. Conservative (talk) 20:35, 24 May 2016 (EDT)

Please check your email. Conservative (talk) 20:47, 24 May 2016 (EDT)
Page move would be handy; for example [Hillary Clinton Exploratory Campaign Committee]] should be moved to [Hillary Clinton 2008 Exploratory Committee]. RobS aka Nobs01Enter if you Dare! 90/10 Awaits: Beware! 01:00, 25 May 2016 (EDT)
Update: Trump rally erupts in violence. [2] RobS aka Nobs01Enter if you Dare! 90/10 Awaits: Beware! 01:04, 25 May 2016 (EDT)
Please check your email. Conservative (talk) 22:55, 25 May 2016 (EDT)

Something about a conflict with GerryV

I came across this: [3] in Recent Changes. I know nothing of what the issue is about. But I wonder if you could contact this person and straighten it out. SamHB (talk) 01:26, 27 May 2016 (EDT)

I just made a pledge to avoid conflict, so sorry pal. You're (and the user account you advocating for) are on your own. RobS#NeverHillary 11:25, 27 May 2016 (EDT)

Picture change Hillary Clinton article

I changed the picture for the main Hillary Clinton article. I didn't want you to lose fence sitters because they clicked off a page with an ugly picture or quickly surmised by the previous ugly picture that the article was not going to be fair-minded.

Just laying out the facts should dissuade reasonable people to not to vote for her. Conservative (talk) 15:18, 28 May 2016 (EDT)

I thought it was a pretty good likeness. RobS#NeverHillary 16:30, 28 May 2016 (EDT)

Hillary and the Children's Defense Fund

If you haven't done so already, I think you should do some material on Hillary Clinton and the Children's Defense Fund. Here is some potential material: https://www.google.com/search?q=hillary+clinton+children%27s+defense+fund&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

I think that is one of her talking points to bolster her image. Conservative (talk) 12:40, 30 May 2016 (EDT)

Incinerating 17 children at Waco covered that; I had planned to put refutations of the CDF of her garbage talking points on the subpage while expanding her abuse of women & child directly in the bio. RobS#NeverHillary 12:49, 30 May 2016 (EDT)
This issue is somewhat related to the Clinton Foundation claiming their donations go to fight hunger, poverty, and AIDS. So the question is, who dominates? do we allow the Clinton's to set the agenda and dictate what goes into her bio by having to refute her fraudulent window dressing and talking points, or does the article go straight forward to facts. RobS#NeverHillary 12:52, 30 May 2016 (EDT)

Resource for free web pics/graphics and put a suggestion on Andy's talk page about you being given additional editor privileges

Resource for free web pics: Free web pics and graphics.

I just put a comment on Andy talk page about you gaining more editor privileges. Conservative (talk) 17:51, 3 June 2016 (EDT)

re: Page move and page lock

I just sent Andy a request via email to give you page move and page lock rights.

I don't enough about the Wikimedia software to know if that requires you to be an Admin. Conservative (talk) 21:45, 3 June 2016 (EDT)

When are we gonna see any progress on this? RobS#NeverHillary 16:04, 15 June 2016 (EDT)

re: getting you admin privileges

Getting you admin privileges is taking longer than I expected.

I hope you loading pictures which are not in according with either being public domain or uploadable as per the license terms of the picture is not slowing things down. You need to stop doing this if you want to expedite getting yourself Admin privileges. I think you are making my tasks harder due to this matter. There are so many pictures that you could upload that you are free to upload and I think you are possibly hampering your ability to be an Admin. See: Public Domain pictures and pictures with generous copyright provisions and free clip art

I think I may not be able to work on the matter of helping you be an admin for several months. Maybe not until 2017. But I do intend to get back to this matter (if you stop uploading pictures not in accordance with Conservapedia's uploading policy. See: Copyright), but hopefully my assistance will not be needed as you will already be an Admin. Conservative (talk) 12:26, 4 June 2016 (EDT)

No problem. Are you saying I should check those sites you provided and replace what is there already, then ask for deletion, etc.? RobS#NeverHillary 12:38, 4 June 2016 (EDT)
I am about to attend to another matter. To expedite things due to my deadlines, I will delete the pictures that you don't have the rights to have uploaded. You can take care of any leftover cleanup. Conservative (talk) 12:46, 4 June 2016 (EDT)
I fixed thuings. Please don't upload pictures unless they are public domain or you can meet the criteria for uploading as per their license rights such as Creative Commons non-Commercial/attribution photos. There are a ton of pictures available and here are some of them: Public Domain pictures and pictures with generous copyright provisions and free clip art Conservative (talk) 13:21, 4 June 2016 (EDT)

A suggestion to getting you to be Admin sooner

I think if you work with the users in the conversation here http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Aschlafly#Copyright and Andy to have a better picture upload process, you would be a problem solver.

I think being a problem solver might help you be an admin faster. Conservative (talk) 13:30, 4 June 2016 (EDT)

re: User:JayHarper

re: User:JayHarper

He was a parodist. I deleted a few of his articles. If you have time, please go through some of his past edits. Conservative (talk) 20:12, 9 June 2016 (EDT)

I tried to fix a few but all I get is [Internal Server Error]. RobS#NeverHillary 22:12, 9 June 2016 (EDT)

Please read the email I sent you....

Please read the email I just sent you. It has to do with your efforts to be a Sysop again. Conservative (talk) 14:57, 18 June 2016 (EDT)

"Move" privileges added to account

I added "move" privileges to your account. Congratulations!--Andy Schlafly (talk) 23:32, 19 June 2016 (EDT)

Added "protect" privileges also.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 23:40, 19 June 2016 (EDT)

Please check your email

I sent you an email. Please let me know if you got it. Conservative (talk) 21:12, 17 July 2016 (EDT)

Two matters


Two things:

1. Please check your email.

2. Please create these articles:

I think this election is going to be close. I know some people are predicting a landslide for Trump and it may happen, but I still think it is going to be close.

Thanks for all your efforts on creating Hillary Clinton content. I think millennials are going to be a factor in this election. So keep the Hillary content coming! Conservative (talk) 02:57, 17 September 2016 (EDT)

Hillary Clinton - suggested articles


You might want to create these articles since there is a lot of public interest in these topics:

Conservative (talk) 17:41, 5 November 2016 (EDT)

I mentioned you on main page right for your work on the Hillary Clinton related articles

I mentioned you on main page right for your work on the Hillary Clinton related articles.

I wrote: "Kudos to User: RobSmith for all Conservapedia Hillary Clinton article content he created before the 2016 U.S. presidential election. User: RobSmith created multiple articles related to Hillary Clinton." Conservative (talk) 18:20, 9 November 2016 (EST)

Thank you. After 20 years, we've finally developed the historical narratives about both Clintons that will stand forevet. No one can or will dismiss it as partisan or fringe conspiracy theories.RobS#NeverHillary 09:39, 11 November 2016 (EST)

Hate speech

Dear Rob, Americans make a distinction between hate crime laws and hate speech codes. Does this apply in Europe as well? I realize that civil code countries have a different legal structure than common law countries, so perhaps our distinctions do not carry over very well over there. Thanks, JDano (talk) 12:18, 12 January 2017 (EST)

Yes, I think this bares looking into. Coincidentally, I was just reading how American Civil Rights law made certain things a crime, but US law distinguishes between civil and criminal offenses. Maybe we need a lawyer to straighten both questions out. RobSMake Exxon Great Again 12:33, 12 January 2017 (EST)
Rob, I am a lawyer, and assumed that you were too. JDano (talk) 13:25, 12 January 2017 (EST)
No, but I think like a lawyer in evidence gathering for historical reseaech. The rules of evidence are basically the same for making an argument on facts. RobSMake Exxon Great Again 13:31, 12 January 2017 (EST)

Trump achievements

If you or anyone else notices that I have omitted or passed over any accomplishments from Donald Trump achievements, feel free to add them. I'm just mentioning this because with President Trump's massive activity, it's hard to keep up. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:08, 28 January 2017 (EST)

Traffic tip for European migrant crisis article

If you want traffic to your European migrant crisis article, I would create the articles below:

I hope that helps. Conservative (talk) 14:36, 29 January 2017 (EST)


You helped make THIS happen.

I have never seen a non-profit website go from below 100,000 rank to nearly a 50,000 Alexa ranking in about a year. And Andy payed zero dollars for content creation/social mediamarketing/email marketing/SEO during this period. In fact, Andy generally has a dislike of social media as you probably know.

And there is no sign of a nearing web traffic plateau. My guess is that Trump supporters/Trump era and the resulting political waves significantly explains the boost in traffic. It was great that you were involved in the Hillary Clinton content before the election. Trump supporters seem very loyal so the traffic boost could be long lasting. It also seems like there is a reawakening of right-wing politics/nationalism that will be long lasting. And right-wing populism and "best of the public" go together like peanut butter and jelly. :)

Thanks again for your efforts. Conservative (talk) 17:19, 13 February 2017 (EST)

Quick project

Dear Rob: Our state articles list the members of Congress from each state, but they have not be updated for 2016. If five editors could update 10 states each, we would be done quickly. Could you please take a look at Conservapedia:Community Portal#Political directory? Thanks in advance, JDano (talk) 16:09, 15 February 2017 (EST)

European migrant crisis is featured atop main page left

I featured the European migrant crisis atop main page left. Conservative (talk) 16:04, 6 March 2017 (EST)

Debbie Wasserman Schultz

Hell RobS, please check cite-9 on Debbie Wasserman Schultz. --1990'sguy (talk) 09:36, 31 March 2017 (EDT)

re: range block

Did Karajou and I wind up removing the range block from the geographic area that you were concerned about? Please look at the recent changes which reflect the range blocks that I removed.

Also, I removed range blocks from other areas as well.

Thanks for letting me know about this matter. I am glad I could be of help. Conservative (talk) 06:28, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

Here is a summary:

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A few proposed article renames and template change

Since you have move privileges for articles and I can't do these myself at this point, there are a few articles here that need to be renamed and updated:

I also redirected the Atlanta Thrashers article to the Winnipeg Jets article since the team changed its name with its move to Winnipeg in 2011. Since I also can't edit the NHL teams template either, that template also needs to be updated to change Atlanta to Winnipeg and Phoenix to Arizona in light of those changes in the past few years. Northwest (talk) 19:51, 28 April 2017 (EDT)

I don't have Protect priveleges so I can't do the Templates, but the moves are done. RobSThe coup plotters won, for now 20:08, 28 April 2017 (EDT)

Mistaken edit?

Is there a reason for this edit, in which you removed a massive amount of information? --1990'sguy (talk) 21:14, 6 May 2017 (EDT)

Which edit?RobSThe coup plotters won, for now 21:23, 6 May 2017 (EDT)
Oops! This edit. --1990'sguy (talk) 21:24, 6 May 2017 (EDT)
No. Looks like an error. Thanks!RobSThe coup plotters won, for now 21:25, 6 May 2017 (EDT)

I see you are making multiple of these edits, but are these mistaken by any chance?[4][5][6][7][8][9] --1990'sguy (talk) 16:51, 7 May 2017 (EDT)

Collating the 2 timelines gets confusing once in a while, one lays out broadly Obama et al crimes, the second more specifically​ breaches of international law. Cyber intrusions and abuse of intelligence agencies overlap both.
Benghazigate relates more to foreign aspects, so Hillary's emails really are a foreign policy scandal not a domestic scandal.
As long as there's no big removals from Obamagate timeline, should be okay. RobSThe coup plotters won, for now 17:06, 7 May 2017 (EDT)

User: Karajou sent me and others an email saying he didn't like CP's article on liberalism. So...

User: Karajou sent me and others an email saying he didn't like CP's article on liberalism.

The article needs major improvements.

I am not going to work on it due to time restraints. I spent a lot of time improving the liberal article.

I would use the same approach used with the liberal article. Clearly delineate liberalism from socialism/fascism because they are very substantially different (for example, Sweden vs. Communist China vs. Nazi Germany). But mention how the gap between the ideologies has narrowed in the United States. I don't keep up with European politics to know the situation there as far as the gap other than knowing that China has become more capitalistic. European countries commonly have more major political parties in a country so the situation is more difficult to keep tabs on. Conservative (talk) 16:43, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

We'll have to delineate American liberalism from historic liberalism. Contemporary liberalism has already been separated from classical liberalism. Now we just hsve to divide American liberalism as its own peculiar brand from European liberalism and the rest of the world, and leave it to editors outside the US to reconcile the differances.
Confusions stems from the fact that the US, in its post-WWII nation building phase often presented its brand of liberalism to the rest of the world as the standard which they modeled after and followed. But American liberalism always was a poor caricature of European Marxist and socialist movements that never gained a proper footing (not until Obama, at least, but even now Obama himself favors US Imperialism over the rot he preached to get into office. So I'm not certain you can call Obama transitional. And there are other cracks in the liberal foundation). I'm seriously inclined to approach American liberal less as an ideology and more as a mental or societal disorder. RobSThe coup plotters won, for now 16:58, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
I would work on the liberalism article. But also create 2-3 sub-articles: American liberalism and Western liberalism and European liberalism. The American liberalism article is just a one sentence stub article.
I suggest a Western liberalism article due to the Canadians, Australia, NZ, and South Africa. Conservative (talk) 18:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
Since the Brits and Canadians have the most influence in the Anglosphere on the USA, you might want to create a British liberalism article and a Canadian liberalism article too.
Its too bad all this wasn't done before given that CP is a political website. I was largely focused on atheism which is a dying ideology. This had an indirect relation to liberalism given the prominence of the secular left on liberal/leftist politics. Conservative (talk) 18:17, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
Speaking about how the Left is becoming more sympathetic to communism, see this: the California State Assembly passed a bill to allow communists to openly work in government positions --1990'sguy (talk) 18:29, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

Re: American liberalism article

I copied and pasted some of the liberal article into the American liberalism article.

Generally speaking, ideally you want the material in the section for main article linking to a sub-article to have substantially different content. In this case, you want the American liberalism article to have different content than the "American liberalism" section of the liberal article.

So if you want to reword and/or add material to the American liberalism article the would be excellent. Conservative (talk) 19:19, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

What in the world!?

United States Presidential Election, 2016 --> Please read the title of the article, and then the article's contents. --1990'sguy (talk) 17:26, 12 May 2017 (EDT)

If you want to move something and a redirect exists where you want to move the article so, please just ask Andy to delete the redirect. It seems it was a typo on your part, but it would be better if you didn't capitalize the "P" and "E". --1990'sguy (talk) 17:30, 12 May 2017 (EDT)
I'm trying to get it to fit into this Category for contiguity. I did a 6 instead of a 2, but I dont have deletion powers to fix my mistake. You ask Andy, he ignores my messages. RobSTrump now is fighting back against the coup plotters 17:36, 12 May 2017 (EDT)
I already did. Hopefully, he will fix the issue soon. --1990'sguy (talk) 17:39, 12 May 2017 (EDT)
Ok thanks. It would be so much easier to train people on proper naming conventions at the start, then to do all this running around at the end. RobSTrump now is fighting back against the coup plotters 17:42, 12 May 2017 (EDT)
I see that the 2020 presidential election article is created. However, the title is 2020 election. Would you please move that to United States presidential election, 2020? --1990'sguy (talk) 17:44, 12 May 2017 (EDT)
The "United States" and the comma are unnecessary and unhelpful to the titles. Very few people would include either, let alone both. Simply "Presidential Election 2020" would be far superior. This isn't Wikipedia, where verbosity is the norm. Conciseness is preferred here. Thanks.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 18:28, 12 May 2017 (EDT)
That's what redirects are for. And "Presidential Election 2020" is not concise, because you have to create a redirect for internal links anyway. RobSTrump now is fighting back against the coup plotters 19:43, 12 May 2017 (EDT)
Andy, I do not think the "E" in your preferred title should be capitalized. When we do CP searches, the are case-sensitive, and most people probably would not capitalize the "E".
Secondly, Andy, every U.S. presidential election prior to 2012 has the title of "United States presidential election, XXXX". We need consistent titles for our presidential election articles. --1990'sguy (talk) 18:45, 12 May 2017 (EDT)
I could've done the redirect; the page needs to be deleted. The entire Category is chaotic, and grows moreso each day. RobSTrump now is fighting back against the coup plotters 19:19, 12 May 2017 (EDT)
I changed the redirect, so it does not need to be deleted. I'll message Andy regarding the category. --1990'sguy (talk) 19:24, 12 May 2017 (EDT)
It needs to be deleted so a page move can be done to its proper name. I think both 2012 and 2016 are screwed.
2008 and 2012 also have subcategory pages for all election related articles. But since every two years, nobody wants to develop or abide by naming conventions, most election articles are just scattered and lost. It is a lot of work to assemble them. Like photo uploads, it woukd be so much easier to categorize things properly when new page is created than all this redundant work later. RobSTrump now is fighting back against the coup plotters 19:36, 12 May 2017 (EDT)
No, it should not be moved there because the "P" and the "E" are capitalized. If you want to be consistent, you should move the articles to redirects that have them lower-case. If Andy will not approve of the name change, maybe another admin will? --1990'sguy (talk) 19:44, 12 May 2017 (EDT)
I agree, it should be lower case. Ask Conservative or Karajou. RobSTrump now is fighting back against the coup plotters 19:47, 12 May 2017 (EDT)

New Template

Hello. I'd just like to inform you that it would be greatly beneficial if you were to assist on working on the following newly created template; Template:Bible Cities

This template was created less than a week ago, and is an attempt to record all the biblical cities of the Old and New Testaments. It would be helpful if you, and other fellow editors at Conservapedia, were to assist in creating articles describing these biblical cities. If you are willing to start making some of these pages, but are not exactly sure how to approach the task, I'd suggest looking at Rhegium or Beeroth, two very (very) recent pages created by myself (Shaaraim is another good example) to get a good understanding at how this thing should be done. If you're willing to go above and beyond, take a look at the page Amphipolis, perhaps the best biblical city page to date. Just to note, this request is optional and you may help out on your own volition.Korvex

Move request

Could you please move Robert Penn Walker to Robert Penn Warren? I wrote the wrong name when making the article's title.--Nathan (talk) 10:11, 29 May 2017 (EDT)

There already is a Robert Penn Warren, so one or the other has to merged or deleted. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 14:46, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
Sorry; I should have seen that. I'll merge the two and put in a delete request for Walker.--Nathan (talk) 14:48, 29 May 2017 (EDT)

Obama's Religion

Please don't do this again. I've occasionally seen you do things like this in the past. We don't need this behavior. --1990'sguy (talk) 21:47, 2 June 2017 (EDT)

Whaa...? I'm just being tolerant and accepting of other people's culture and idioms. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 21:52, 2 June 2017 (EDT)
I don't think most people see it that way -- this is exactly what parodists and trolls, who want to destroy this site, do. Please take care not to act like one, even if unintentionally. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:01, 2 June 2017 (EDT)
I am certain many atheists, secularists, and Democrats all Praise God, Allah, or Satan or who or whatever that Obama is "former" President Obama. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 22:07, 2 June 2017 (EDT)
Maybe, but it seems to me that most liberals wish he were still president. Unlike Clinton, it seems that liberals actually like Obama, rather than just supporting him to defeat the candidate they dislike more. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:12, 2 June 2017 (EDT)
I suspect the "Allah be praised" and the Benghazi bullet are both an attempt to pull my leg. Let's get back to serious work and set an example of clear writing and sound research/vetting of content. Thanks, JDano (talk) 22:23, 2 June 2017 (EDT)
The Benghazi lies cast a shadow over any "meaningful context" you're trying to pull out of the UN speech. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 22:35, 2 June 2017 (EDT)

Can you check your email

Can you please check your mail? It is important. Conservative (talk) 10:53, 3 June 2017 (EDT)

Might have to resend. Haven't received anything. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 10:58, 3 June 2017 (EDT)
I will resend.Conservative (talk) 12:04, 3 June 2017 (EDT)

Here is the article

major vandalism happening now.

major vandalism happening now.

Essay request

RobS, it looks like a lot of work was done on the Conservative vs. liberal article. Could you please write an essay on Essay: Liberal vs. conservative? Conservative (talk) 06:46, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

The Conservative vs. liberal article is just starting to gain traction in terms of viewership. For example, it ranks 26th for the search "Conservative vs. liberal". I would like it to gain a higher readership and increase its search engine rankings.

Could you please create these article which are important topics:

It would be great if Conservapedia did a better job of educating the public on these topics. And since Google rewards websites which are expert websites, I am sure you will increase the web visibility of the Conservative vs. liberal article. Conservative (talk) 17:33, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

Info: Conservative vs. liberal divorce rates: https://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2011/09/do-liberal-states-really-have-lower-divorce-rates
That is a really good article. Conservative (talk) 18:06, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
Explosion of conservative news sites: https://www.axios.com/the-partisan-explosion-of-digital-news-2279022772.html Conservative (talk) 21:17, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

DHS, Russia, and the DNC

I see you did not add yet the Obama Administration's lack of effort in combating Russian involvement prior to the 2016 election,[10] the DNC's rejection of DHS help for their hacking,[11][12] Jeh Johnson's statement that no evidence existed of Russian collusion with the Trump Administration,[13] and a Senate probe into Loretta Lynch.[14] to the Obamagate timeline article or the other articles you maintain. Are these appropriate things to add? --1990'sguy (talk) 14:23, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

Oh definitely. Feel free if you like. I suspect there's much more to add as a result of these recent hearings. I just don't wanna see Obamagate get confused or overrun with Trump-Russia allegations, which is the ultimate path members of the intelligence committees of both parties, and the special council, will use to cover-up NSA abuses in the Obama era.
The Russian election involvement ultimately will need to be treated elsewhere in several other articles as part of ongoing modern cyber and electronic warfare. The 2016 allegations are the results of technical achievements, and not a political conspiracy. This is what needs to be clarified in all articles.
The recent ship collision off Japan, for example, appears to be the result of North Korean, Chinese, or Russian (or perhaps sharing and cooperation among them) ability to electronically interfere with US Naval vessels guidance systems. This is being investigated. And this electronic warfare has more to do with a priority cyber intrusion than any media or DNC misinformation over the past year. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 15:37, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

Fake news article

You have edited/commented on the fake news article in the past. What is your opinion on these edits I recently made? [15][16][17] --1990'sguy (talk) 12:58, 25 June 2017 (EDT)

On this one, "the mainstream media itself publishes and promotes fake news stories" I'd suggest getting a cite from the White House Press Office whitehouse.gov if possible; I support removing McCain - he's a Deep State operator, only confuses things, is a dottering old fool, and nobody cares anymore; and the other section can go to.
Aside, Trump the TV producer appears to be toying with the press (if he wasn't distracted by legal & legislative problems it would be more obvious). The recent covefef flap, for instance, could be:
  • 1. a simple typo at 3am by a guy suffering from jet lag;
  • 2. a calculated attempt to measure Google Trends in the immediate minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, after:
  • 3 a combination of the two.

The rules of reporting definitely have changed, and Trump is taking internet to the next level beyond what Howard Dean & Barack Obama did. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 15:16, 25 June 2017 (EDT)

Thanks. Do you have any specific suggestions on which whitehouse.gov cite we should use? --1990'sguy (talk) 15:19, 25 June 2017 (EDT)
It could a transcript from his Feb 16 or 17 press conference where he cited CNN specifically, a general statement from Spicer indicting all would be better, or something from Kellyanne Conway on broadcast cable. I'll do a quick search and see if I can come up with something. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 15:27, 25 June 2017 (EDT)
What do you think of this one? May 30 seems to be the date the issue came to a head, and everybody knows VOA is the USG' official propaganda mouthpiece, it can't be accused of being simply one-sided voice of the White House, and we're not showing favoritism to a msm source or blog. As long as it fits the relative context in mainspace.


RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 15:37, 25 June 2017 (EDT)
I liked the article and added it. Thanks! I think VOA is a relatively good source to use, particularly for this. --1990'sguy (talk) 02:39, 26 June 2017 (EDT)

Re: Trump

I think Donald Trump is going to get stuck with the blame for the economic bubble created by the Obama administration and the Federal Reserve.[18]

In addition, TrumpCare probably will not work because it is keeping the "precondition clause" of ObamaCare due to its popularity. People will often not buy health insurance until they are sick. So the health care system will not be viable. Car insurance companies could not be profitable if people could buy their car insurance after their car accident in order to replace their car. Conservative (talk) 22:11, 11 July 2017 (EDT)

How about Ann Coulter's idea that people ought to be able to buy any kind of health insurance they want?
  • Congress doesn’t repeal Obamacare! Instead, Congress passes a law, pursuant to its constitutional power to regulate interstate commerce, that says: “In America, it shall be legal to sell health insurance on the free market. This law supersedes all other laws, taxes, mandates, coverage requirements, regulations or prohibitions, state or federal.” [19]
I'm pragmatic. I just want to get what I need, at a reasonable price, if someone will provide it. --Ed Poor Talk 08:33, 23 July 2017 (EDT)

Expansion of right-wing material on the internet

I know Twitter bans and shadow bans right-wingers.

I haven't looked at the latter two items, but right-wingers gaining momentum on the internet is an interesting development. With nationalism gaining ground in Europe and 21st century desecularization occurring, the trend is bound to continue. Conservative (talk)

Dont be so quick to think this is a success. I see way too much of this sort of thing. Look at this closely: 16 YEAR OLD AMERICAN GIRL BEATEN AND BURNED ALIVE BY MUSLIM IMMIGRANT. WOULD YOU SUPPORT TRUMP IF HE DEPORT ALL THE MUSLIMS? But what are the facts here? Yes, a Guatamalan is an American. No, there is no evidence whatsoever the person who torched this girl is a Muslim. Thirdly, what does Trump have to do with this headline? So Facebook gets inundated with this liberal/Leftist Soros-inspired Deep State trollery, and counts the number of 'Likes' as racist Trump supporters. I view this explosion of alleged conservative sites as a real problem unless some sort of self-regulation and oversight is developed, and less a direct reflection of traffic demands by viewers.
In the link I provided, a 16 year old Guatamalan gangbanger and her two male accomplices raided a neighboring village and shot a 68 year old man, probably to get money for drugs. The villagers drive the two males off, and burned the girl (a teenage prostitute who lured the elderly man) alive. A local village gangbanger burnt her alive in the village square in front of the entire village, including children. The killer was not a Muslim. This video has nothing to do with the Muslims. So it is about Central American teenage gangs and drug violence.
There is way way way too much of these sort of links on the internet. Conservatives and Trump supporters need to proceed with caution immediately. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 10:58, 13 July 2017 (EDT)
First, if you go to the Muslim websites in English, often their web marketing is crude (poor web design, no email opt-ins, etc. etc.).
The core problem of the West is its need for Christian revival. If the West saw Christian revival a number of good things would happen such as: the sub-replacement fertility problem would be solved; the Protestant work ethic would occur and a number of other benefits would start occurring (See: Atheism and fertility rates and Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism and Protestant cultural legacies and Christianity statistics).
At the very least, the West has to be more disciplined and hardworking. Singapore transformed itself from a stagnant British colony to being a first class economy though hard work, discipline and having more thoughtful policies. Granted, Singapore did have some good effects from their contact with the West (see: Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism).
A country can't sustain a high level of immigrants who have low productivity and who are troublesome. To do so is an invitation for forcible relocation and/or civil war and/or ethnic cleansing. History is replete with this sort of thing (for example, Reconquista).
Multiculturalism has failed in many countries that have tried it such as France/Germany/Sweden. But there are places which have avoided ethnic/religious conflict over a sustained amount of time such as: Singapore; to a less extent the Philippines as there is conflict due to Muslims; USA, Hawaii, etc. But in the USA ethnic (and the attendant cultural differences. Even in European cultures there are significant cultural legacy differences such as the English cultural legacy of small government and the German cultural legacy of a larger government) are gaining steam in terms of tension/conflict.
John Wesley's preaching is widely credited with causing England to avoid a revolution like France had. Perhaps if evangelicalism continues to grow among Hispanics that will prevent much conflict ahead for the USA. And the USA may learn from Europe's Muslim troubles and keep the percentage of Muslims in the USA low. Conservative (talk) 15:19, 13 July 2017 (EDT)


I sent you one yesterday, and I am writing to you here to verify that it was me. --1990'sguy (talk) 15:38, 18 August 2017 (EDT)

Actually, I received an automated email, twice, that my email to you was not delivered for some technical reason. Please try emailing me -- maybe that will work. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:59, 19 August 2017 (EDT)
Yah, I've had trouble synchronising email with my new device. Still working on it. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 23:54, 25 August 2017 (EDT)
OK. Please send me an email as soon as you can. --1990'sguy (talk) 09:47, 26 August 2017 (EDT)
Email sent. --1990'sguy (talk) 11:54, 26 August 2017 (EDT)

I sent you another one. I would appreciate a response even if you cannot/don't want to do those things. --1990'sguy (talk) 18:12, 3 September 2017 (EDT)

Re: 2020 presidential election

Please look at this article: Who's going to win the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination? PredictIt takes a guess.

Given your significant base of knowledge on leftism, it would be great if you started working on the Bernie Sanders article.

Given Sanders have these advantages: his ability to cause large crowds in 2016, diehard/enthusiastic supporters and ability to raise funds; I would think Sanders is going to win the Democratic nomination. Warren is his leading contender and she is a joke as far as being a strong national candidate. Conservative (talk)

Personally, I think it is more important to expand the articles on Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren. They articles are much less detailed, and I think they have a bigger shot in 2020, as seen by media coverage (Harris more than Warren). --1990'sguy (talk) 09:17, 11 September 2017 (EDT)
Harris has already gained the support of Clinton donors and Sanders backers. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 14:58, 11 September 2017 (EDT)
I have not been following the Democrats very closely. Thanks for the feedback. Conservative (talk) 15:32, 11 September 2017 (EDT)


Consider making a Uraniumgate article.Conservative (talk) 05:08, 26 October 2017 (EDT)

Uranium One bribery scandal

I featured your Uranium One bribery scandal article on main page left. Conservative (talk) 06:56, 3 November 2017 (EDT)

Thanks. It's turning out to be much. much larger than I feared. Eventually there may be two separate articles, Uraniumgate (the Mueller & Rosenstein scandal) and the Clinton bribery scandal. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 07:01, 3 November 2017 (EDT)

Right-wing populism

I have another article suggestion: Right-wing populism. Conservative (talk) 11:12, 25 November 2017 (EST)

Articles of the year: 2017 - your article is being featured on the main page (left side)

Keep up the good work.Conservative (talk)

Barack Obama

Hello Rob, thanks for your work in creating and expanding your articles about the ongoing political scandals involving Obama/Clinton/FBI/etc. When you get the time, would you please add some of that info (Project Cassandra, FISA warrant, FBI corruption, etc.) to the Barack Obama article? --1990'sguy (talk) 23:20, 13 January 2018 (EST)

Sounds like a great idea. Things are finally coming together into a coherent narrative, We'll have a fuller picture next week when IG report (1.2 million documents) start leaking out. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 23:25, 13 January 2018 (EST)

Article improvements

Thanks for creating these articles, which I made some improvements to:

Any good pictures for these articles? --1990'sguy (talk) 12:49, 15 January 2018 (EST)

Something is wrong with my uploads; it's been coming up as "file is empty". RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 20:15, 15 January 2018 (EST)
Because of a bug, the image upload function is disabled. Please save the links to any images you want to upload, both for the articles I linked above and the Obama Administration article, and then I will let you know when Andy fixes the bug. --1990'sguy (talk) 20:01, 21 January 2018 (EST)
Thanks.RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 20:02, 21 January 2018 (EST)
It's been fixed. Feel free to upload anything, assuming it doesn't violate copyright law. --1990'sguy (talk) 18:01, 25 January 2018 (EST)

Updated email address

I've updated my email address through my user page. Sorry if I've missed any messages over the last several months. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 21:18, 19 March 2018 (EDT)

Would you please send me an email? I can't find your new address. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:49, 15 August 2018 (EDT)


The category was used a bit excessively, but the categorization is based on a person's political positions -- the fact that they were entrenched in a political party organization is irrelevant. Both Bushes, Bob Dole, and most of the people you're removing the tags are quite liberal (neither Bush even voted for Trump, and the Elder Bush voted for Clinton). --1990'sguy (talk) 15:34, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

That doesn't matter. If the Republican party nominated Bob Dole as its standard barer, Bob Dole is a Republican, not a RINO. That's how democracy works. Furthermore, what is a Republican today is not the same as twenty years ago - or even two years ago. A Republican is determined by their voting constituency, not by what voters in a neighboring constituency think. And their overall voting record on the national level. Too many of these alleged 'RINO's have a 90% record of voting with the national party. We are not a party that goosesteps to a fuhrer. If a member votes 1 in 10 against the party, that is not an ideological failing of the member - its a reflection of practical political realities among voters at the district and state level. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 15:48, 16 April 2018 (EDT)
I agree that the category was used a bit too excessively, as I already said. I don't think someone like Jan Brewer, Chuck Grassley, or Pat Toomey should be labeled a RINO. However, saying that anybody who's entrenched in the party organization cannot be a RINO is simply ridiculous. Bob Dole, to my understanding, is a Republican who holds many liberal positions that put him solidly to the Left of the party base -- that's the definition of a RINO. The fact that many RINOs were elected has more to do with being well funded and giving voters a good impression of themselves. There's also the belief among conservatives that we need to pick someone more liberal than ourselves because they can win the general election -- the fact that Republican voters have chosen RINOs usually isn't for ideological reasons. Also, some RINOs lie about their positions -- remember how Bush I campaigned in 1988 as an arch-conservative who even wanted to bring back school prayer and ban abortion? Those were just words, and the base (for good reason) fell for it. Today, he supports most of the Democrat agenda and voted for Hillary Clinton. --1990'sguy (talk) 16:00, 16 April 2018 (EDT)
RINOs specifically come from New England, where the GOP organizations are nonexistent, and are Democrat reformers who are banished from corrupt Democrat machines. The only way William Weld, Chris Christie, Mitt Romney, Michael Bloomberg (or for that matter Donald Trump) and a host of others ever got elected to anything in New England is with Democrat votes, running as reformers against corrupt Democrat machines. It has little to do with ideology on a national level. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 16:09, 16 April 2018 (EDT)
The idea of a Kansas or Nebraska RINO is ludicrous. Its like an Eskimo trying to get a sun tan. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 16:14, 16 April 2018 (EDT)
There are a lot more RINOs in red states than you realize. Look at Texas Speaker of the House Joe Straus, who is a Republican but who is far to the Left of essentially every other Republican and blocks much of the conservative agenda there. In fact, he's elected speaker because the Democrats vote for him in order to prevent a more conservative speaker. Also, look at the ~14 GOP Senators from red states who voted against Trump's immigration plan despite the strong support for those reforms in their states. And isn't Romney (who you just admitted to being a RINO) about to become the GOP Senate nominee in Utah? To say that it's impossible to get RINOs in red states is ridiculous, since ideology usually isn't the deciding factor in the primaries -- perceived personal character and finances (along with lying about their positions, like Bush and McCain did) is more important. I can believe the "Democrat reformer" thing, but RINOs are not limited to the Northeast, nor are they limited to "Democrat reformers". --1990'sguy (talk) 16:29, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

Let's examine Bob Dole, for example, who voted against the Medicare Act of 1962 and gave him solid economic conservative credentials. By 1996 when the party's democratically elected delegates made him their party standard barer, he wished he hadn't voted against Medicare. Even if he did write the tax increase bill in 1982 that Reagan signed, that didn't make him a RINO. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 16:21, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

Dole became more liberal as his career progressed: [20] --1990'sguy (talk) 16:29, 16 April 2018 (EDT)
So what is the argument? The dead Kansas voters who voted Republican in 1962 and who were in a minority nationally, get to determine who is and isn't a RINO nationally in 2018? RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 16:33, 16 April 2018 (EDT)
The argument is that one is a RINO if they are more liberal than the party as a whole (including, and especially, the base). Dole was conservative in the 1960s, but he became more moderate as time went on, even as the GOP base became more conservative. --1990'sguy (talk) 16:39, 16 April 2018 (EDT)
Nah. You're redefining RINO. It's a term GOP congressional leaders applied to New England Republicans to explain to other members why New England Republicans didn't follow party discipline. "He's from New York" = RINO. The press picked it up.
In 1912, Teddy Roosevelt ran against the GOP, and Franklin Roosevelt ran as a Democrat for the NY legislature. No New Yorker since the founding of the Civil Service in 1882 will swear off the Roosevelts, so the NY GOP became RINOs after 1912. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 17:31, 16 April 2018 (EDT)
No, I'm using the common definition that almost everybody thinks of when they use the word "RINO". Your definition either is a purely academic term that few people use, or it's a defunct term. The divide between New England GOP officials and the rest of the party isn't so great. Take the fact that Susan Collin's greatest allies are Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and John McCain of Arizona. Maine's governor is actually quite conservative, along with its only Republican Representative. --1990'sguy (talk) 19:30, 16 April 2018 (EDT)
The GOP decides what a Republican is and isn't at any point in time. This is constantly changing. A Republican voter today differs from a Republican of voter of 2008, 2010, 2012, and 2014. The next Congress will consist of Republicans with different views of the majority today. You are confusing Republican with conservative; while conservative values and principles generally are consist decade to decade, conservativism does not define what a Republican is - voters themselves define what it is to be a Republican. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 19:40, 16 April 2018 (EDT)
Best example - the Republicans themselves voted to keep Obamacare and reject their own platform and promises. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 19:42, 16 April 2018 (EDT)
And the GOP saving Obamacare is part of Trumpism. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 19:43, 16 April 2018 (EDT)
True that things change over time, but most people have equated conservatism with the Republican Party (and vice versa for the Democrats) for several decades already, including the Republican base.
Specifically regarding your ObamaCare example, we kept ObamaCare because of a small number of mushy RINOs (none of whom actually supported Trump) who couldn't stand up for their agenda. The base was outraged -- including Trump and his most hardcore supporters. You're confusing a small number of the party's elected officials with the vast majority of its members and voters. --1990'sguy (talk) 19:47, 16 April 2018 (EDT)
Yes and no. In 1993, Don't ask don't tell was progressive and tolerant; within 15 years it was homophobic and bigoted. Just as conservatives and Republicans have embraced Medicare, Social Security, Obamacare and the welfare state. Both parties have their conservative and liberal wings. Under Obama, the Democrat party lurched to the left and moderates defected to the GOP. This made the GOP more mainstream & moderate, less conservative and monolithic, and the Democrats more extreme. In the past presidential election, Hillary was the right-wing conservative candidate and Trump the left-wing liberal. Bottom line - you can't define the GOP as monolithically conservative based on what a segment of believers in a geographic region or time era think is Republican. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 19:58, 16 April 2018 (EDT)
Yes, I know that both parties have had conservative and liberal wings for some time, but most people have considered the GOP the "conservative party" and the Dems the "left-wing party" for some time already, even before the Dems really shifted to the far-left. And while consistent GOP voters are shifting to the Left along with the culture (one of my biggest criticisms of conservatives today is that most of us don't try to change the culture in a conservative direction), they still are quite conservative as a whole. --1990'sguy (talk) 20:05, 16 April 2018 (EDT)
New York was the primary point of entry for immigrants up to about the 1960s, was the largest state in the Union since the nations founding (today its #3). The Civil War was Republican vs Democrat, but by 1912 the NY GOP rejected its identification with the victors and joined with the Rebels in dominating the Civil Service, a new, more "progressive" spoils system of professional career bureaucrats. Unlike Southern Democrats, they didn't have segregated lunch counters and lynchings - they didn't need to cause Black's were a minority in virtually most voting precincts. Meanwhile their Southern brethren in the Civil Service suppressed black voter registration where blacks could potentially form a majority. Democrat reformers in the Northeast had to join the GOP to get elected, cause Democrat machine politics squashed reformers. These are the RINOs - New England Democrats who appealed to Democrat voters for reform based on local issues and when they arrived in Washington had little in common with other Free Soil Republicans, and supported expansion of the Democrat-controlled civil service bureaucracy in the federal government. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 20:25, 16 April 2018 (EDT)
Yes, that's the defunct definition of what it meant to be a RINO -- though the definition's changed to mean registered Republicans, including entrenched party officials from red states, who are more liberal than the conservative base. However, it is true that modern RINOs still support expanding the administrative state. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:07, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

Although the Democrats lost the Civil War, they've come to dominate the federal government through the Civil Service Commission after Reconstruction. And why shouldn't they? Unlike the spoils system dependent on election outcomes, they've maintained their role as a protected class of career professionals leeching off the federal treasury and their fellow citizens, who can't be fired, regardless of the outcome of a Civil War or election. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 20:48, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

Yes, the Trump Administration needs to be more aggressive in rooting those people out. Hopefully, Bolton isn't finished cleaning up the NSC. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:07, 16 April 2018 (EDT)
You'll never get them out. Democrats are lazy leeches feeding off their fellow citizens and the US treasury in a job they can never be fired from no matter how corrupt or incompetent, while Republicans work in the real world and support them and their cockamamie ideas to create more government spending to justify more Democrat leeches and civil service jobs. This is the only difference between the parties. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 23:25, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

Example in point --> The government pays for, sponsors, and uses government workers in a 'Needle exchange' program to hand out syringes to junkies. The junkies shoot dope in the city park and toss the needles in the grass. Children step on the dirty needles given out courtesy of the government. What's the government solution to the health hazard they created? Rent space for a shoot-up gallery, kinda like old fashion opium dens or a blood bank, hosted by government workers where the junky can sit in an easy chair and shoot up with his government-provided syringe or Medicare-provided opioid. Voila. Unemployment his further reduced. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 23:43, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

Michael Cohen

Read the life of Trump attorney Michael Cohen, a quintessential NY RINO. Cohen voted for Obama, worked to elect Dukakis, and only registered as a Republican after Trump was inaugurated to get a position with RNC fundraisers. Previously, he was a two time unsuccessful candidate against the Democrat machine. According to WP:

"Cohen volunteered for the 1988 presidential campaign of Michael Dukakis,[4] was an intern for Congressman Joe Moakley,[6] and voted for Barack Obama in 2008, though he later became disappointed with Obama.[4]
"In 2003 he unsuccessfully ran as a Republican for the New York City Council from the Fourth Council District (a Manhattan district).[17] Cohen received 4,205 votes, and was defeated by Democratic candidate Eva S. Moskowitz, who received 13,745 votes.[18] In 2010, Cohen briefly campaigned for a seat in the New York State Senate.[1][6] He was a registered Democrat until he officially registered as a Republican on March 9, 2017.[19][20]....
" On April 3, 2017, Cohen was appointed a National Deputy Finance Chairman of the Republican National Committee.[28][29] ..."

This is a classic picture of a RINO - a Northeasterner who can't gain traction in the local Democrat machine and is forced to register and run as a Republican, to fulfill his political ambition. It's purely a local phenomena, and does not translate to other regions of the country. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 19:18, 17 April 2018 (EDT)

If it were "purely a local phenomena", what do you make of RINOs like TX Speaker of the House Joe Straus, former CA governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, or NV governor Brian Sandoval? There are many Republican officials outside the Northeast who are significantly more left-wing than the people who comprise their own party's base. --1990'sguy (talk) 14:43, 21 April 2018 (EDT)
Again, you are confusing "Republican" with "conservative". The GOP is a big tent. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 14:47, 21 April 2018 (EDT)
The GOP has been associated with conservatism for decades already, just as the Democrats have been associated with left-wing politics, even as liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats regularly ran for office. However, the parties are now significantly more polarized, and the fact still remains that the leaders I mentioned are much more liberal than regular Republican voters in their states/constituencies. --1990'sguy (talk) 14:52, 21 April 2018 (EDT)
All politics is local. The GOP national party is an amalgam of local parties. With the resignation of Boehner, election of Ryan as Speaker, and election of Trump it should be pretty obvious the GOP can't agree what it is. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 15:00, 21 April 2018 (EDT)
I agree that politics is local (though I wouldn't use "all"), but the local GOP parties agree on the vast majority of things, especially now that the uber-liberal Republicans have left the party. The 2016 election actually showed the disconnect between the party base (regular people who vote GOP) and the party elite (the people in the upper levels of the party). The vast majority of states went to either Trump or Cruz (who both voiced very conservative views, especially on social issues and national security), but D.C. went solidly for Rubio and Kasich. The problem with the House Speaker elections is that the party base cannot vote in them -- the results would be quite different if we could. --1990'sguy (talk) 15:08, 21 April 2018 (EDT)
"the disconnect between the party base (regular people who vote GOP) and the party elite (the people in the upper levels of the party)"
Sounds like a socialist conspiracy theory. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 15:16, 21 April 2018 (EDT)
Sounds more like common sense to regular Republican voters. We heard so much from the MSM about how so many Republicans were leaving the GOP because of Trump ([21][22][23][24][25]), but on November 8, Trump won 90% of Republicans according to exit polls (Clinton won 7%), just 3% less than Romney (Obama won 6% of Republicans in 2012, for comparison). --1990'sguy (talk) 15:26, 21 April 2018 (EDT)
If Trump lost a few traditional GOP voters, it was offset by an influx and net gain of ex-Democrats, making Trump's GOP coalition less conservative, and more of a traditional moderate big tent. It's not an ideological shift - millions of moderates and liberals waking up one morning and becoming a replacement population of conservatives for other conservatives who bolted the GOP. It is the dynamics of coalition politics. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 18:11, 10 July 2018 (EDT)


RICHARD SPENCER!!! RICHARD SPENCER, while not a neo-nazi is a white nationalist... NOT ROBERT... RICHARD B SPENCER... OK RICHARD! --Kingdamian1 (talk) 17:57, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

Oops, sorry. Common mistake. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 17:58, 28 April 2018 (EDT)
That's ok... But before writing condescending things about my knowledge, you might check what you are seeing... Haven't you heard of Richard Spencer? He is allegedly the guy that came up with the term Alt-Right. Since you have an article about Alt-Right here, I thought it makes sense to have one about Richard Spencer, also Spencer is sort of an important person today. Well at least among the white nationalist movements. --Kingdamian1 (talk) 18:04, 28 April 2018 (EDT)
Yah. There's just a lot of links from discussion boards throughout the internet attributing the work of Robert B. Spencer to Richard B. Spencer, usually inbound to wikipedia. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 18:14, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

requested article: Trumponomics

Article request: Trumponomics. It would be a nice complementary article to our Obamunism article. Conservative (talk) 18:40, 5 August 2018 (EDT)

MAGAnomics is the official term; Trumponomics would be a redirect. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 18:46, 5 August 2018 (EDT)

Glenn Simpson

Is there a reason for this edit? --1990'sguy (talk) 22:12, 12 August 2018 (EDT)

Yes, it was redundant to the rewrite above (which soon will have the same subhead), information in footnotes, and pages now available thru links. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 22:18, 12 August 2018 (EDT)
OK, thanks. I asked because it was a lot of info. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:19, 12 August 2018 (EDT)
The Fusion GPS subhead is about to be pared down, too. Then the article will focus on Simpson's collusion with Russia, make room for new information, and what's not retained is available thru blue links. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 22:42, 12 August 2018 (EDT)


You've done a lot of work on the Collusion article recently -- is this an example of media collusion? --1990'sguy (talk) 11:50, 13 August 2018 (EDT)

Oh yes, definitely. Collusion is basically private conversations. The collusion article eventually needs to be divided into subsections, something like Business collusion (e.g. Big Tech v Alex Jones), Anti-Trust collusion (Standard Oil & the Rockefellers, using non-profit entities to hide profit making assets, which is illegal), and Political collusion, of which there are many examples. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 12:02, 13 August 2018 (EDT)
Collusion is what goes on all day, every day, in the White House and Pentagon - private conversations. Look at the entry on the Obamagate timeline for May 16, 2016. Comey colluded at the White House all morning, and in the afternoon the computer in Strzok's office (according to Strzok's sworn testimony) colluded with Strzok and an informal group of unknown others to drop the felonious charges of gross negligence, for which Hillary was facing 10 years, and insert the language Obama suggesested on 60 Minutes of "careless" when he did not interfere in an ongoing law enforcement investigation, sources say. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 12:16, 13 August 2018 (EDT)


You might be interested in this article: City of Chemnitz protests of 2018 --1990'sguy (talk) 21:34, 8 September 2018 (EDT)

Yes, thanks! I've been following it closely from eyeeitness accounts on yourube. "The begining of the Reconquista."RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 21:46, 8 September 2018 (EDT)

Re: Left-wing violence in the Trump era

Why remove the names of the left-wing perpetrators of violence against conservatives from the descriptions in the article, as well as whatever consequences the punks in question may have paid for their actions? It needs to be shown who they are and what price they may have paid in order to publicly shame them for their actions. Northwest (talk) 18:56, 21 October 2018 (EDT)

Sometimes less is more. We need to create a readable, coherent narrative. For example, a gay man was assaulted, a woman was assaulted, a Hasidic Jew was assaulted. This attacks the very underlying validity of identity politics. When notable persons are cited, simply report the incident. It shouldn't read like a police blotter. It's not our job to walk back their comments, or to give a final disposition of the case, that they were arrested or deleted a tweet, etc., at least not until we see genuine repentance over time. If someone wants details, for example "Joe Blow of Staten Island was arrested", we've provided a link.
Also, we're getting too many non-violent events, such as threats, insults, sick joke, etc. The page is entitled violence, actual acts of violence. If it's simply stupid words or sick jokes by celebraties, it doesn't really belong here, unless it is an actual call by a notable Leftist to incivility and violence toward others.RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 19:13, 21 October 2018 (EDT)


Maybe we should renew our focus on what's going on in Ukraine? It might enact martial law, after the Russian Navy captured three Ukranian navy ships: [26] --1990'sguy (talk) 21:02, 25 November 2018 (EST)

Yes. And Mike Cernovich provided an excellent starting point: Trump critics attack him over the US border invasion, but in the Ukraine suddenly borders matter. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 21:06, 25 November 2018 (EST)
And the issue of Ukraine should not be detached from (1) the issue of open borders which Russia wants with Ukraine, but the Magnitsky Act is designed to prevent; (2} Hillary, Obama, and progressive fascists support for the fascist regime of Ukraine; (3) the fact UK intelligence (not Russia) meddled in the 2016 election and was an attack on American democracy; (4) Putin is exposing the weakness of NATO; it will be the freeloading UK NATO lobby, and their US allies (Lindsey Graham? now that McCain is gone) screamming for bloodshed to defend the sacred sovereign right under international law to defend the principle of inviolability of borders (e.g. Poland 1939, Kuwait 1991, etc). RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 21:22, 25 November 2018 (EST)

Jerome Corsi

You responded with gibberish on your edit summary at 2018 Conservative of the Year. What Jerome Corsi said was not funny. And we're the ones who have to pay for him allowing full play of his imagination in admitting a crime. And that a Senate Committee is being uncooperative in their investigation into abuse doesn't justify what he said either; in fact it helps them maintain that posture. VargasMilan (talk) 00:27, 18 December 2018 (EST)

Hey, we're conservatives. Media lying about us goes with the turf. We're not Democrats, we don't believe everything we read in the papers. You got any evidence or proof for anything you allege? RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 00:43, 18 December 2018 (EST)
Facts are, Mueller just got smacked with a $350 million lawsuit, both professionally and personally. Knowing Mueller and how he operates, you think he's going to take it lying down? He'll do anything to try and prove Corsi's reputation isn't worth $350 million. I'm not buying it. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 00:48, 18 December 2018 (EST)
Here's how the game works: Corsi was set up by this Stickler guy working for Mueller. Mueller calls in Corsi and threatens to blackmail him. Corsi refuses, knowing Mueller had made him look like a fool with Stickler. Corsi files a lawsuit, knowing the Stickler smear is going to come out. Corsi beats Mueller to the punch, leaking the Stickler smear to sympathetic media Now when Mueller plays his trump card and tries to indict Cosri on a fundraising scam, in very Clintonesque fashion it's (1) "old news," (2) an admission Mueller has nothing on Cordy telated to Stone, WikiLeaks, or Russia, (3) most importantly, looks like retaliation for the Corsi's filing; (4) Mueller won't have a sympathetic media in the Daily Caller, which already is investigating Mueller tactics. I could go on with more, but that's enuff to chew on. This is a Grand Master chess match between Mueller and Corsi. Watch and learn. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 01:29, 18 December 2018 (EST)
Edit conflict: Each time you ask me to provide more information the scandal spreads. I linked to the Daily Caller, Tucker Carlson's website. Tucker Carlson has one of the largest conservative accounts on Twitter (2.4 million followers), and this year added 950,000 new followers, a 67% increase. The author of the article said that Corsi just finished writing a big book and included a quote of him picturing himself and a colleague committing perjury and saying he wouldn't care if that were to happen or had happened. VargasMilan (talk) 01:34, 18 December 2018 (EST)
What's that got to do with anything? Corsi was set up, like Flynn & Papadopolous. Corsi was offered a deal, like Cohen. Unlike Cohen, Corsi is innocent. Unlike Flynn & Papadopoulos, he's not pleading guilty to crimes he didn't commit. Do you notice a pattern here? Your only cites are anti-Mueller cites. They're being fed (as they have for years) by Corsi's operatives. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 01:40, 18 December 2018 (EST)
You're not even reading the article. It was an interview of Corsi himself! VargasMilan (talk) 01:47, 18 December 2018 (EST)


IOWs, your Daily Caller and Carlson cites look more like Mueller hit pieces, like National Security Advisor Flynn colluding with our NATO ally Turkey, which is the best Mueller could come up with today. I've been following Corsi for years. I'm a student of Corsi. I know all the dog whistles. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 01:51, 18 December 2018 (EST)
So what's happened since Obama protected the guy who tried to overthrow our Turkish NATO ally? What's happened since Susan Rice, Sally Yates and company destroyed Flynn? Turkey bought a missile defense system from *gasp* Russia! Who does Turkey need to defend themselves from with a Russian missile defense system? Who's responsible for destroying the NATO alliance? Who committed treason? Obama? Rice? Yates? Mueller? All these facts are on the table. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 02:04, 18 December 2018 (EST)
You never even went to the website! It's not Tucker Carlson's blog; he has a staff of writers! Corsi was interviewed by Aaron Zelinsky, a Mueller prosecutor, and Corsi included the interview in his new book from which the reporter for the Daily Caller quoted. Getting this information piece by piece is not a pursuit worthy of your intellect. VargasMilan (talk) 02:07, 18 December 2018 (EST)
I had all that information before it appeared in any of those cites. You don't seem to understand the fundamental issues. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 02:13, 18 December 2018 (EST)
Corsi himself leaked the negative information about himself. It blunted Mueller's attack. And Corsi filed a suit against Mueller first. Anything Mueller files now looks like a counter suit, and proves Mueller's on a fishing expedition far removed from Russia. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 02:18, 18 December 2018 (EST)
IOWs, digest what you are reading. Corsi himself has laid bare to the Daily Caller, and in his book, EVERYTHING that happened in his meeting with Zelinsky. Corsi made the decision to go public with the Stickler information when he filed suit against Mueller, cause that's all Mueller had. That's the basis of Corsi's lawsuit. Mueller, Zelinsky, and Rhee threatened Corsi with Stickler. Mueller asked Corsi to lie. Now that Stickler is out there, Mueller has nothing to threaten Corsi with. And Zelinsky and Rhee have to perjure themselves to deny the evidence. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 02:39, 18 December 2018 (EST)
Corsi claimed he provided Stone with a cover story to escape the prosecutor's clutches. What's preventing Mueller from charging Stone now, since Corsi himself explained in detail what the cover story covered up. I can see shooting yourself in the foot as a last resort to blunt an attack by being already shot, but just because a friend presented a cover story you came up with in Congressional testimony, why would it mean the friend is immune from being reimplicated by Mueller in his federal prosecutions after you reveal what was being covered up, i.e. Stone's link to Russia by way of Julian Assange's DNC document dump before the 2016 election? VargasMilan (talk) 03:26, 18 December 2018 (EST)
Mueller has no case. Mueller can't prove WikiLeaks is a KGB front. Mueller can't prove the Russians hscked the DNC. Podesta emails are not government documents. Hillary Clinton and the DNC are not the United States government. If Mueller had any evidence of anything against Stone or Corsi, he would have used it. Instead, he tried to blackmail Corsi with Stickler to lie about Stone, to blackmail Stone to lie about Trump, as he has done in the Flynn, Papadopolous, Manafort, and Cohen cases. Do you see a pattern here? Now that the Stickler/Zelinsky/Rhee story is out there, Mueller has to lie to defeat Corsi's case. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 04:12, 18 December 2018 (EST)
Corsi. who will have his day in court, alleges Mueller had damning evidence against Corsi. Corsi has laid the damning evidence out for the world to see. That does not excuse Mueller's crimes. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 04:22, 18 December 2018 (EST)
How do you think John Dean became the hero of Watergate? The Special Counsel had damning evidence against Dean - he's the guy that ordered the break-in. The SC threatened him with a long prison sentence or rat out the boss. When they couldn't prove Nixon ordered it (it wad Dean's own idea and he did it without telling the boss) they had to settle on Nixon authorizing hush money to the burglers after Dean informed Nixon of Dean's own screw up. Nixon took the fall for his crony's incompetence, that's the tale (and tragedy) of Watergate. Nixon was loyal to the troops.
Democrats today worship a criminal who abused his office, divided the country, and destroyed a president to save his own arse. He's a Democrat hero. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 04:37, 18 December 2018 (EST)
Ann Coulter wrote that John Dean came up with the Nixon "enemies list", which gave everybody a laugh about paranoid Nixon, but that in reality it was not only compiled by John Dean, but it was neither requested nor reviewed by Nixon. VargasMilan (talk) 06:19, 18 December 2018 (EST)
An example composing when requested to sing. Also, of the longevity of a fake news leak intended to smear. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 06:30, 18 December 2018 (EST)


Let's take the case of Cohen, a Democrat well known in the New York legal community as a shyster lawyer. The fact Cohen had Trump as a client for many years was enough in the legal community to raise eyebrows about Trump. The fact Cohen never held sny official position in the campaign, or the transition, or the administration meant he couldn't withstand journalist's scrutiny or government disclosure requirements and background checks. Everybody knew this. The New York legal community, and feds who hate Trump, then threw him out of the legal profession, permanently. That's the whole story here. Why they didn't do it until after Trump was elected is an ethical question only they can answer. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 04:57, 18 December 2018 (EST)

RobS your observations are an embarrassment of riches. You obviously have a deeper understanding of the political system than any of us unless someone is holding out. You've brought me to the point of excusing Corsi. When I think of all these Deep State agents, I don't know how our public trust in our law enforcement and intelligence agencies will be restored, as you say must be done, but you seem to think it will involve dismissing numerous cases and investigations, while I fear a number of guilty parties will go free by them collectively being thought to be too big to fail like in the bank bail-outs of 2008-9.
I would suspect you can't be too pleased by seeing the user talk orange light that appears at the top of the page to summon you for answers after a while, so if it would please you, let me know so we can have a change of venue if you have more to add. My reading comprehension of what you're saying is pretty good, but I will need to resort to re-reading it to complete my education in these political ideas through picturing how the pieces fit into the whole. VargasMilan (talk) 06:19, 18 December 2018 (EST)
Let's go to the next level, briefly. New York was the largest state in the United from its founding up to about the late 1960s, and the New York media market is a thing unto itself. The seat of American media really is New York, not Hollywood or DC. National broadcasts originating in NY have to be careful not to confuse the national audience with hometown happenings.
Since the Civil War, we've only had 4 presidents from America's biggest city - Grant, two Roosevelt's, and Trump. But in each case, they all brought with them friends and enemies, and a lot of other stuff that is part of New York culture - which the rest of the country doesn't understand. can't relate to, or isn't interested. But to New Yorkers who know these personalities well and either love them (like the Roosevelts) or hate them (like Grant and Trump), New York's dominant position in publishing and now broadcast spins New Yorkers' feelings about the hometown kids to the nation. For this reason, not many New Yorkers have fared very far in national politics, cause the rest of the country isn't interested in the NYC society pages dominating the national discussion, despite NY's dominant position in national media. It's almost breaking an unwritten rule, letting NY media celebrity gossip dominate the national political discussion. It makes no difference if it were Hillary, Bloomberg, Guiliani, RFK or Trump. The situation would be same. Passions would be strong whether you loved them or hated them. And they'd have plenty of hometown enemies fanning the flames on a national level. Its peculiar to NY, and no other the 49 states carry this burden. You can always tell the country is in a crisis of leadership if we're desperate enough to turn to a New Yorker. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 07:02, 18 December 2018 (EST)
Useless trivia: the Independent Counsel law originated in 1878 when a bunch of Grant's hometown enemies resented his success and tried to take him down nationally. And they had enough poop on him locally to take it to Washington. Well, if they felt that strongly about his morals, ethics, and corruption, why didn't they take him down before he got elected? The Cohen case is a replay; suddenly corruption in the NYC taxi cab industry, that federal, state, and city police and prosecutors have known about for years, becomes the vital issue facing survival of the planet and species. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 07:32, 18 December 2018 (EST)
Okay, so there's some selective prosecution against politically active New Yorkers. And his arresting agents weren't necessarily public benefactors. I don't even know whether Cohen's office was searched by the New York state police or the feds, and if the feds whether or not it was done at Mueller's bidding. And some say it was an illegal search. And that it was a dragnet whose employers sought information that would lead them to evidence of unknown crimes that could implicate Trump despite attorney/client privilege.
All of this gets assembled under the ambit of Mueller. I don't know what phrases should best describe Mueller. He creeps around looking under things as the rest of us watch what he is doing. He takes note of things we don't find notable, and when he does talk he blurs the line between what is maliciously unlawful and what is trivial fodder for public relations and then wallows around in generalities until no one cares to find out anymore. It confirms that all roads lead to Mueller not New York more or less eventually. VargasMilan (talk) 21:28, 18 December 2018 (EST)
Mueller's a "fixer," like Bill Barr is. To understand Mueller, you'll never get to the bottom of it. I uncover a scandal and cover-up virtually daily that Mueller's been involved with. Someday some writer can dedicate a lifetime to compiling it all. For a thumbnail view, I'd recommend this NYT book review by Alan Dershowitz from 2000 - before Mueller was appointed director. There were gangland wars in Boston going back to 1965. By the late 70s - early 80s there was a huge public outcry to "do something." Mueller was assigned. To end the gang war, the FBI took sides. One side was exterminated, the other side had a license to kill. By the late 80s, scandal erupted in the BFO Boston Field Office. Mueller did such a good job covering it up, Bush appointed him national director in 2001 (after the Dershowitz article). This is the Whitey Bulger case - who, as an FBI informant, murdered 52 people. When Mueller became director, Bulger was a fugitive. Shortly before Mueller left office, Bulger was put away for life. A few months ago Bulger was murdered in prison. What threat an 89 year old man in prison is to anybody, is a matter of speculation.
As noted, you're never going to find any conclusions in the Bulger case, the BFO corruption scandal, Mueller's career, etc. But you can see Mueller seems to approach all investigations like he's dealing with the mafia, uses the same techniques of immunity, blackmail, and co-opting "witnesses," and above all is a cover-up man for the DOJ & bureau, especially when there's a massive public outcry to "do something." That's my best take on the man. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 02:04, 19 December 2018 (EST)

If you chat with Ace...

If you chat with Ace at an atheist website, tell him he suffered yet another defeat. See: New Zealand atheists will lose the War on Christmas in the 21st century and Talk:Irreligion in New Zealand.

It's a good thing he never came up with a suitable monetary payment arrangement in order to gain the privilege to debate me. Obviously, he would have lost quite badly. And it wouldn't be due to my debating prowess, but rather to the utter weakness of atheism and atheist debaters.Conservative (talk) 07:08, 31 December 2018 (EST)


Would you be willing to create a War on Science article to discuss how the Left opposes scientific research in favor of pure ideology on issues such as abortion and gender? --1990'sguy (talk) 13:54, 4 January 2019 (EST)

It would take some basic research; I'm not exactly sure where to begin but I could get something started.
The angle of attack I could begin with is the politicization of science, and demonstrate how social science trumps natural science - for example economic science trumping medical science and climate science. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 14:12, 4 January 2019 (EST)
That sounds good to me. These articles might be good starting points (and some of them are from left-leaning sources): 1,2,3,4,5 --1990'sguy (talk) 14:23, 4 January 2019 (EST)
Ok, will do. I can see this is something that may start small and slowly and grow into something really big. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 14:29, 4 January 2019 (EST)

PZ Myers and War On Science quote

RobS, I don't think Myers' essay is very usable for the purpose you requested, but I was able to glean this quote.

The atheist PZ Myers said about various political aspects of the New Atheism movement: "Mainly what happened is that the credibility of science was stolen to bolster rationalizing prior bigotries."[27]

That is about the best I could do. Myers is a liberal/leftists and he is part of the problem as far as the War on Science (Myers is a SJW). In that essay, he was complaining about atheists who are politically to the right of him.Conservative (talk) 15:07, 28 January 2019 (EST)

Obamagate timeline

You might be interested in this, which a newly-created account shared: [28] --1990'sguy (talk) 15:18, 7 February 2019 (EST)

Thanks, looks real interesting! RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 16:00, 7 February 2019 (EST)
In addition to this, I strongly recommend you update the Green New Deal article, if you have the time, now that the Democrats have released the official congressional resolution and now that the list of cosponsors is out. This plan is utterly laughable, but it's getting strong support from the Democrat Party. --1990'sguy (talk) 21:12, 8 February 2019 (EST)
I'm trying to get ahold of the original that was deleted from their site. You know where I can find it? Even just a screenshot. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 00:33, 9 February 2019 (EST)
You mean this? It's also a good idea to use the House resolution too: [29] --1990'sguy (talk) 08:33, 9 February 2019 (EST)
The media (including conservative news sources) have been covering the resolution in detail, so I think it will be easy finding info. --1990'sguy (talk) 08:50, 9 February 2019 (EST)
This seems like a good summary of the Green New Deal: [30] --1990'sguy (talk) 16:10, 9 February 2019 (EST)
The farting cows needs to be followed up; this from PBS News Hour explains the science behind it. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 16:19, 9 February 2019 (EST)
Wrong vid; its this one. 16:25, 9 February 2019 (EST)
Hello, sir. I'm Dove. I'm interested in doing anti-vandalism work around here. I presume that you do this also. Nice to meet you! RapidEditor (talk) 22:30, 24 February 2019 (EST)
Fine. Glad to me you. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 22:34, 24 February 2019 (EST)


Hello, I'm DW. I'm here for anti-vandalism work. I am an administrator from Deletionpedia.org. DW (talk) 13:27, 9 April 2019 (EDT)
Deletionpedia, sounds interesting. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 13:32, 9 April 2019 (EDT)
Have you ever of Deletionpedia? Articles that does not survive on Wikipedia, ends up on Deletionpedia. Here is what Deletionpedia is about: http://deletionpedia.org/en/Main_Page DW (talk) 13:41, 9 April 2019 (EDT)

Trump Administration article

Hello RobSmith, would you please update the White House staffing list in the Trump Administration article, as you have previously done? --1990'sguy (talk) 08:25, 10 April 2019 (EDT)

re: a atheist/agnostic wiki

Please read: Essay: The atheism killing atheist wiki that Conservapedia spawned

Feel free to share this article at that wiki. :) 19:04, 17 April 2019 (EDT)


Congratulations on Obamagate timeline!--Andy Schlafly (talk) 12:03, 28 April 2019 (EDT)

Thanks! Looks like it's headed to the half million mark. I'm going to keep it up (Muellergate now) cause we have outside researchers who use it as a valid, non-fake news record, and it looks like the whole Obamagate/Spygate/Ukrainian collusion scandal will continue in Trump's second term. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 12:12, 28 April 2019 (EDT)


You might want to add the NYT anti-Semitic cartoon mention to the Liberal racism and Left-wing Anti-Semitism articles. --1990'sguy (talk) 14:14, 28 April 2019 (EDT)

Done. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 14:16, 28 April 2019 (EDT)

Leftism and Rightism discussion

1) Did you know that Fascism and Communism are literally polar opposites? Or that 27,000,000 Soviets died fighting the Nazis? Words have meanings, you know 2) Did you know that Communists despise Liberals? In fact, you are a liberal, because you support capitalism and a free-market economy 3) I hate the Democrats, they are a bunch of spineless corporate neoliberals 4) Do you genuinely believe that it is possible to simultaneously be against gun control and be a "totalitarian"? 5) Correct!

They are not opposites; they are competing ideologies on the Left side of the political spectrum.
This illustrates the danger of Leftist ideology - innocent people, centrists, moderates, and people on the Right get dragged into violent Leftist power struggles for domination. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 16:54, 9 July 2019 (EDT)
If Fascism is leftist, then why did Hitler privatize many industries? Also, Hitler railed against Marxism, and invented his own definition of Socialism, to fit his ideological views.

If fascism is on the right, why was Hitler a statist? RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 17:58, 9 July 2019 (EDT)
Exactly how is "statism" left-wing? Would you consider absolute monarchies to be "leftist"?
Conservatives, or people on the right, believe in God, liberty, freedom, andthe dignity of the individual; Leftists worship government, restrict personal freedom, advocate slave systems. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 18:31, 9 July 2019 (EDT)
I believe that the State should be abolished, that slavery, including wage-slavery, is abhorrent, and that personal liberties should be protected to the extent that they do not infringe on other people's liberties. What am I, then?
A confused communist. A typical leftist.
Leftist look to government for solutions and salvation. Conservatives look to God and personal responsibility. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 18:36, 9 July 2019 (EDT)
How do we look to "government" for solutions and "salvation"? What do you define as "government"? How would you reconcile "abolishing the state" with "looking to government for solutions and salvation"?
"Abolishing the state" is Marxist theory fantasy which has never happened yet; everywhere it's been attempedt has resulted in the enslavement and extermination of Marxist revolutionaries and non-revolutionaries alike. (Marxist elites are simply common criminals). Leftists, rejecting God, put their hope for salvation in the coercive power of government and renounce human freedom in exchange for dependency on other humans, i.e. socialist bureaucrats. How do I define government? As a dispensationalist, I define it as Gen. 9:6, (incidentally, the Wikipedia page I linked to here is wrong. The Dispensation of Human Government has never ended. You see typical Marxist/Satanic lies in Wikipedia, of course). After the unavenged murder of Abel by his brother Cain, God placed the responsibility on humans to insure justice rules on earth. God mandates' that murderers do not run the planet, which is exactly what happens when Socialists are in put charge. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 19:26, 9 July 2019 (EDT)

> "Abolishing the state" is marxist theory fantasy which has never happened yet, everywhere it's been attempedt (sic) has resulted in the enslavement and extermination of Marxist revolutionaries and non-revolutionaries alike.

The State cannot be abolished instantly (despite what some anarchists may tell you). It is a gradual process, which can only really make any real progress once socialism has spread to the point where capitalist espionage is no longer a threat. The United States has constantly tried to sabotage Socialism every single time it has been tried, be it through economic sanctions (Cuba, the DPRK, Venezuela, etc.), through funding far-right extremists and backing military coups (Chile, Nicaragua), interfering in other countries elections (Italy, Russia), or outright invasion. (Vietnam, Grenada).

> (Marxist elites are simply common criminals)

Do you have anything that can prove that statement?

> Leftists, rejecting God, put their hope for salvation in the coercive power of government and renounce human freedom in exchange for dependency on other humans, i.e. socialist bureaucrats.

That statement is false. Leftists believe in empowering the working class, in workplace democracy, and in creating a society in which all people have a voice, and where all people participate in government. Also, not all leftists are atheists. Have you ever heard of Liberation Theology? What about Christian communism?. Or these quotes:

  • "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." (Mark 10:25, KJV).
  • "Acts 2:44-45, "All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need."
  • Acts 4:32-35, "Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... 34 There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. 35 They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need."

>How do I define government? As a dispensationalist, I define it as Gen. 9:6, (incidentally, the Wikipedia page I linked to here is wrong. The Dispensation of Human Government has never ended. You see typical Marxist/Satanic lies in Wikipedia, of course). After the unavenged murder of Abel by his brother Cain, God placed the responsibility on humans to insure justice rules on earth. God mandates' that murderers do not run the planet, which is exactly what happens when Socialists are in put charge.

First off, not everything you disagree with was written by Marxist/Satanist/leftist/(insert other group that you don't like here), and not everything you disagree with is a lie. Also, exactly how are Socialists murderers? The socialist government in the USSR drastically improved standards of living, ended famines in Russia (last famine was directly after World War 2), and might I remind you, put the first man in space! Cuba has been praised for it's universal healthcare system, and has a higher life expectancy then the United States! Not only that, but they also have a 99.9 percent literacy rate! [1]

  • Links, refs, and other things
  • The socialist government in the USSR drastically improved standards of living... What did Solzhenitsyn mean when he said, "Men have forgotten God? RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 22:45, 14 July 2019 (EDT)
How does one man's quote about people "forgetting about God" prove anything about the quality of life in the USSR?
"The socialist government in the USSR drastically improved standards of living, ended famines in Russia"
[31] They CAUSED a famine
"Cuba has been praised for it's universal healthcare system"
[32] [33]
"How does one man's quote about people "forgetting about God" prove anything about the quality of life in the USSR?"
The point of the Solzhenitsyn quote is that Solzhenitsyn did not see an improvement in the standard of living, he saw the exact opposite. Shobson20 (talk) 00:15, 15 July 2019 (EDT)

> They CAUSED a famine

No they didn't. [2]

> Cuba's Health-care

Have some more sources!

> The point of the Solzhenitsyn quote is that Solzhenitsyn did not see an improvement in the standard of living, he saw the exact opposite.

One man's quote does not prove anything about the standard of living, other then his opinion of the standard of living.

It's not just a "quote"; it is eyewitness testimony. Solzhenitsyn was born 1917 - the same year as the Russian Revolution. He knew nothing of pre-Soviet life. By 1932 and the government mandated starvation, he was 15 years old; during the socialist mass murder purges of 1938, he was 21. He's relating what his elders of that time, at the risk of their own lives because of social media censorship, told him. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 19:35, 15 July 2019 (EDT)

Could you delete the "Leftism and Rightism discussion" section

The guy who's been arguing it has been blocked and we need to stop giving him attention. Shobson20 (talk) 21:45, 15 July 2019 (EDT)

I didn't block him. I thought we were trying to have a conversation. I've been very busy with other things, and would like to investigate some of those links as time is available. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 22:48, 15 July 2019 (EDT)
This same person has been defacing communism-related articles on this site. He cited Communist Douglas Tottle's book which was discredited and pulled not long after it was released. He cites Leftist rags like HuffPo. Surely you know that Holodomor deniers are full of it, right? All indications by his tone are that he wants to feed his ego by proving himself right, not engage in legitimate, open-minded dialogue. Shobson20 (talk) 23:11, 15 July 2019 (EDT)
diff? RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 23:35, 15 July 2019 (EDT)
  1. http://uis.unesco.org/country/CU
  2. https://www.garethjones.org/tottlefraud.pdf