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:::: Yeah, but if there's no explanation, should we just make one up? I mean, maybe they were demons or something. [[User:Tomservo|Tomservo]] 23:09, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
 
:::: Yeah, but if there's no explanation, should we just make one up? I mean, maybe they were demons or something. [[User:Tomservo|Tomservo]] 23:09, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
 
::So what does creation science have to say?  I thought it could explain what evolution couldn't.  [[User:Maestro|Maestro]] 23:03, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
 
::So what does creation science have to say?  I thought it could explain what evolution couldn't.  [[User:Maestro|Maestro]] 23:03, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
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:::1) You're in the realm of history, not science, so creation science has nothing more to say than chemistry on this particular issue.
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:::2) Elohim, the word used to describe who created the world, is plural.  It means "gods."
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:::3) Yahweh Elohim, the word used to describe who created Adam and Eve, is singular.  It means "Lord of the gods."
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:::4) Yahweh does not say he was the only god.  He says he is the ''mightiest God.''  Read ''God at War'' by Gregory Boyd for a discussion on this point.
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:::5) Plato's ''Critias'' dialogue describes how there were multiple gods, who divided the world among themselves, and "peopled their districts:"
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::::"In the days of old the gods had the whole earth distributed among them by allotment. There was no quarrelling; for you cannot rightly suppose that the gods did not know what was proper for each of them to have, or, knowing this, that they would seek to procure for themselves by contention that which more properly belonged to others. They all of them by just apportionment obtained what they wanted, and peopled their own districts; and when they had peopled them they tended us, their nurselings and possessions, as shepherds tend their flocks, excepting only that they did not use blows or bodily force, as shepherds do, but governed us like pilots from the stern of the vessel, which is an easy way of guiding animals, holding our souls by the rudder of persuasion according to their own pleasure;-thus did they guide all mortal creatures. Now different gods had their allotments in different places which they set in order. Hephaestus and Athene, who were brother and sister, and sprang from the same father, having a common nature, and being united also in the love of philosophy and art, both obtained as their common portion this land, which was naturally adapted for wisdom and virtue; and there they implanted brave children of the soil, and put into their minds the order of government; their names are preserved, but their actions have disappeared by reason of the destruction of those who received the tradition, and the lapse of ages. For when there were any survivors, as I have already said, they were men who dwelt in the mountains; and they were ignorant of the art of writing, and had heard only the names of the chiefs of the land, but very little about their actions. The names they were willing enough to give to their children; but the virtues and the laws of their predecessors, they knew only by obscure traditions; and as they themselves and their children lacked for many generations the necessaries of life, they directed their attention to the supply of their wants, and of them they conversed, to the neglect of events that had happened in times long past; for mythology and the enquiry into antiquity are first introduced into cities when they begin to have leisure, and when they see that the necessaries of life have already been provided, but not before. And this is reason why the names of the ancients have been preserved to us and not their actions. This I infer because Solon said that the priests in their narrative of that war mentioned most of the names which are recorded prior to the time of Theseus, such as Cecrops, and Erechtheus, and Erichthonius, and Erysichthon, and the names of the women in like manner. Moreover, since military pursuits were then common to men and women, the men of those days in accordance with the custom of the time set up a figure and image of the goddess in full armour, to be a testimony that all animals which associate together, male as well as female, may, if they please, practise in common the virtue which belongs to them without distinction of sex. "
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:::6) Some of these gods, the "Bene Elohim," became corrupt and interbred with human women.  The ancient history of every world culture agrees on that point.
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:::7) So the people of the world became corrupt and totally violent.  Take a look at archaeological evidence of ancient cults if you doubt.
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:::8) So ''Yahweh Elohim'' sent a flood to wipe out the wickedness.  Again, every major world culture agrees on this point.  Every culture in the world remembers a flood that destroyed everything, and a single family that survived.
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:::You're in the realm of history here.  So use historical sources.  [[User:Ungtss|Ungtss]] 09:45, 21 June 2007 (EDT)

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After Cain was banished, he was marked so no one would kill him, moved to the city of Nod and married. Who were those people? Tomservo 06:17, 20 June 2007 (EDT)

The Bible talks of Adam and Eve being the first people created - it doesn't say they were the last. File:User Fox.png Fox (talk|contribs) 06:21, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
So sometime in between the Fall and Cain's exile, God made more humans but the Bible didn't bother to say anything about it? What other kind of stuff could God have been up to that we don't know about? Tomservo 22:07, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
LoL - stop setting up straw man arguments. The Bible isn't G-d's diary, you know! :D 22:25, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
Yeah, but if there's no explanation, should we just make one up? I mean, maybe they were demons or something. Tomservo 23:09, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
So what does creation science have to say? I thought it could explain what evolution couldn't. Maestro 23:03, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
1) You're in the realm of history, not science, so creation science has nothing more to say than chemistry on this particular issue.
2) Elohim, the word used to describe who created the world, is plural. It means "gods."
3) Yahweh Elohim, the word used to describe who created Adam and Eve, is singular. It means "Lord of the gods."
4) Yahweh does not say he was the only god. He says he is the mightiest God. Read God at War by Gregory Boyd for a discussion on this point.
5) Plato's Critias dialogue describes how there were multiple gods, who divided the world among themselves, and "peopled their districts:"
"In the days of old the gods had the whole earth distributed among them by allotment. There was no quarrelling; for you cannot rightly suppose that the gods did not know what was proper for each of them to have, or, knowing this, that they would seek to procure for themselves by contention that which more properly belonged to others. They all of them by just apportionment obtained what they wanted, and peopled their own districts; and when they had peopled them they tended us, their nurselings and possessions, as shepherds tend their flocks, excepting only that they did not use blows or bodily force, as shepherds do, but governed us like pilots from the stern of the vessel, which is an easy way of guiding animals, holding our souls by the rudder of persuasion according to their own pleasure;-thus did they guide all mortal creatures. Now different gods had their allotments in different places which they set in order. Hephaestus and Athene, who were brother and sister, and sprang from the same father, having a common nature, and being united also in the love of philosophy and art, both obtained as their common portion this land, which was naturally adapted for wisdom and virtue; and there they implanted brave children of the soil, and put into their minds the order of government; their names are preserved, but their actions have disappeared by reason of the destruction of those who received the tradition, and the lapse of ages. For when there were any survivors, as I have already said, they were men who dwelt in the mountains; and they were ignorant of the art of writing, and had heard only the names of the chiefs of the land, but very little about their actions. The names they were willing enough to give to their children; but the virtues and the laws of their predecessors, they knew only by obscure traditions; and as they themselves and their children lacked for many generations the necessaries of life, they directed their attention to the supply of their wants, and of them they conversed, to the neglect of events that had happened in times long past; for mythology and the enquiry into antiquity are first introduced into cities when they begin to have leisure, and when they see that the necessaries of life have already been provided, but not before. And this is reason why the names of the ancients have been preserved to us and not their actions. This I infer because Solon said that the priests in their narrative of that war mentioned most of the names which are recorded prior to the time of Theseus, such as Cecrops, and Erechtheus, and Erichthonius, and Erysichthon, and the names of the women in like manner. Moreover, since military pursuits were then common to men and women, the men of those days in accordance with the custom of the time set up a figure and image of the goddess in full armour, to be a testimony that all animals which associate together, male as well as female, may, if they please, practise in common the virtue which belongs to them without distinction of sex. "
6) Some of these gods, the "Bene Elohim," became corrupt and interbred with human women. The ancient history of every world culture agrees on that point.
7) So the people of the world became corrupt and totally violent. Take a look at archaeological evidence of ancient cults if you doubt.
8) So Yahweh Elohim sent a flood to wipe out the wickedness. Again, every major world culture agrees on this point. Every culture in the world remembers a flood that destroyed everything, and a single family that survived.
You're in the realm of history here. So use historical sources. Ungtss 09:45, 21 June 2007 (EDT)