Talk:Ban
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Eliminating trans fats may not help with obesity, but it does help to impede cholesterol problems, therefore that sentence should be changed.--LucRenardeux 13:37, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
- funny thing about transfat bans is that they aren't used very often, and that they don't make things tastier (that would be regular and saturated fats). Transfats are used because they are resilient to time. You will find them mostly in frosting and candy bars. I always though a fat tax would be better than a ban. That way the government could either increase revenue or discourage unhealthy eating patterns. Like we do with cigarettes.--CamilleT 13:21, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
- Forgot the sig last time. I think that's a good idea, but with the way we measure obesity, namely with BMI, muscular people tend to be mis-categorized. One must be careful with how such is implemented.--LucRenardeux 13:37, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
- Oh no! I meant fat content on food. Not on people. That'd be horrible! For example: a hamburger would be taxed where salad would not.--CamilleT 13:42, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
- I see. But what about things such as olive oil, which are in fact pretty healthy. Really, people gain much more weight from carbs. They are everywhere. But all of these are required to have a balanced diet, and the problem is when people don't know when to stop or how to eat healthy. I guess a tax or ban wouldn't help that any.--LucRenardeux 13:45, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
- You are incorrect. Too much olive oil and you will suffer from it. I think the best way to encourage a balanced diet is to
- I see. But what about things such as olive oil, which are in fact pretty healthy. Really, people gain much more weight from carbs. They are everywhere. But all of these are required to have a balanced diet, and the problem is when people don't know when to stop or how to eat healthy. I guess a tax or ban wouldn't help that any.--LucRenardeux 13:45, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
- Oh no! I meant fat content on food. Not on people. That'd be horrible! For example: a hamburger would be taxed where salad would not.--CamilleT 13:42, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
- Provide education as to what exactly that entails
- Make sure everyone has access to the foods required of it
--CamilleT 13:56, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
- Well of course too much of anything will likely cripple and/or kill you. Even vegetables, though for most things you'd have to consume an insane amount. As to your two points, the problem with the education is that there is still much that we don't know, and what may work for one person will fail spectacularly for another, and that there's so much information which is dated or even totally incorrect. Most people tend to follow what their parents told them growing up or even totally misunderstand what information is available. You can't force people to change their beliefs, however incorrect they may prove to be. There's already a variety of everything that anyone can get. The problem is that to 'save money' or to save time, people will go for that quick and easy junk food. Again, because we get locked into habits that are extremely difficult to break.--LucRenardeux 14:12, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
- Don't confuse education with indoctrination. As for the availability of foods, it also comes down to preparation, procurement, and preservation. A parent buying solely junk food for their convenience to feed their children could be countered by (somehow) providing fresh and prepared food with the same facility of Kraft Mac and Cheese. And as for olive oil, fat is fat (technically, liquid fats are oils, but you know what I mean, right?). Transfat and saturated fat, because of their chemical composition rendering their form inflexible, are harder to get rid of, but don't delude yourself into thinking you have no risk of putting on weight when you put some vinaigrette in your salad.
If we continue this debate, know that I have made many talk page edits recently and do not wish to violate the 90/10 rule, so I will respond much later if at all--CamilleT 14:20, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
- Don't confuse education with indoctrination. As for the availability of foods, it also comes down to preparation, procurement, and preservation. A parent buying solely junk food for their convenience to feed their children could be countered by (somehow) providing fresh and prepared food with the same facility of Kraft Mac and Cheese. And as for olive oil, fat is fat (technically, liquid fats are oils, but you know what I mean, right?). Transfat and saturated fat, because of their chemical composition rendering their form inflexible, are harder to get rid of, but don't delude yourself into thinking you have no risk of putting on weight when you put some vinaigrette in your salad.
- Well of course too much of anything will likely cripple and/or kill you. Even vegetables, though for most things you'd have to consume an insane amount. As to your two points, the problem with the education is that there is still much that we don't know, and what may work for one person will fail spectacularly for another, and that there's so much information which is dated or even totally incorrect. Most people tend to follow what their parents told them growing up or even totally misunderstand what information is available. You can't force people to change their beliefs, however incorrect they may prove to be. There's already a variety of everything that anyone can get. The problem is that to 'save money' or to save time, people will go for that quick and easy junk food. Again, because we get locked into habits that are extremely difficult to break.--LucRenardeux 14:12, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
