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The topic of the debate was "Which is worse?". Your comments appeared unrelated. If you want to complain that you (or your sock) isn't allowed to post "relevant information", the burden of proof is on you to establish its relevance. This is not an opinion blog. Try everything2 if that's what you want.

Or start a debate like "Is Expelled fair?" --Ed Poor ^Talk 17:49, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

Guantanamo Bay releasees

Sir, you just called me a liar with regard to released Gitmo prisoners going right back to the battlefield and doing the exact same thing all over again that they landed at Gitmo for in the first place: killing Americans.

You had better do one of three things:

1. Provide a citation for your allegation that a significant proportion of Guantanamo detainees have turned out to be innocent of the war crimes imputed to them.
2. Retract your last comment and apologize to me.
3. Prepare to face blockage for contempt of the administration.

No need for you to reply on my talk page; I shall set a watch on this one.--TerryH^Talk 18:26, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

Ok, Terry, if you want to take such a combative tone, let's get more specific - what you said was that "to a man, every one of those released detainess has turned up doing exactly the same thing again", yes? I take it you have proof of this, yes?

Now, why is it I who has to prove an allegation? You prove yours first. Aggrieved 18:30, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

When my life is at stake, you can repose one hundred percent confidence that I will be combative.

You show me an ironclad reference about someone who landed at Gitmo for longer than a couple of years, got out, and did not go right back to doing the thing whereof he stood accused, and we'll go from there.

And mind your tone when you talk to me. I'm an administrator and you're not.--TerryH^Talk 18:59, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Deghayes

You might want to apologize for threatening to block him now. Wandering 19:01, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

Oh, and if you have some free time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Guantanamo_detainees_known_to_have_been_released

Happy researching! Wandering 19:06, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

<- Murat Kurnaz StatsMsn 19:07, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

Here's a story (from Fox News no less) that says 7% of the 500 released are "confirmed or suspected" by the Pentagon of returning to the war [1]. As I understand it, the original claim on main page talk was that released prisoners aren't typically going back, although in the list above the demand is for a citation that they're innocent. Presumably the former is the issue, and this ought to resolve it. Murray 19:09, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

David Hicks, I haven't heard of any terrorist attacks in my backyard recently. StatsMsn 19:10, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

Terry - it is you who have made an unsubstantiated assertion, not I. Again I ask you for proof of your assertion. I note you have found it impossible to come by. It is easier to prove my case, much easier. Try Murat Kurnaz, for example, living in Germany since his release. David Hicks is alive and well in Australia. There are countless numbers of them who have not returned to combat Terry, and while I am certainly not denying that some have returned to combat, your claim that "to a man, every one of them" has done so is obviously completely incorrect. The Dept. of State's official report clearly says that "some detainees upon their release are returning to combat" (search for the phrase, no way to provide a hard link) - I imagine that if they could have made your claim, they would have been much happier, but they couldn't, so they didn't. Because it's not true.

Clearly, you are wrong, and childish attempts to bully me with your 'superior sysopship' don't change reality, sadly. Do you admit that you are wrong, and do you apologize? Aggrieved 19:20, 14 June 2008 (EDT)