Talk:Black Sox Scandal
Spelling: nickmane for nickname? Gimmel 14:37, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
- And where is that mistake? Karajou 14:40, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
- Nevermind...found it. Karajou 14:41, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
Shoe Less Joe
His full name should be mentioned once and then his nickname most of the time. If you say Joseph Jefferson Jackson to someone they most likely will have a puzzled look on their face. --Will N. 18:08, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
- I believe I did exactly that, and I hope others can add to it to make it more interesting. Just a very fascinating chapter in baseball. Karajou 19:02, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
- I think he was innocent just the way he played in that seris was amazing. Here are his stats how can you argue with this and still say he was not innocent?: 12-for-32; .375 batting average; 5-for-12 w/ men in scoring position; 5 runs; 3 doubles; 1 home run; 6 RBI. --Will N. 09:06, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- I moved your paragraph on the subject down near the bottom of the article, as I felt it would fit in better with that paragraph. I'm also not disputing his playing during the Series, as he did do a fine job, which is beyond question. But the fact of the matter was that he did accept $5,000 for his part in the fix, and this is born out by the surviving transcripts of the trial as well as his confessions, and the Baseball Writers Association is stuck looking at that. Without it, Jackson could very well be in the Hall of Fame. And yes, I want to see him in the Hall of Fame too! Karajou 13:38, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- Jackson does have a consolation of sorts: he's included in Cleveland's Baseball Hall of Fame. Karajou 13:39, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- Thats ok if you moved it I have no problem with it because I know you are a better writer than me. Ya if he only said no to the $5,000. By the way who were the gamblers? have they ever been identified?--Will N. 13:46, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- Arnold Rothstien, Sleepy Bill Burns, and Billy Mahburg were positively identified as being involved in the fix. There are some others whose role is speculated. Rothstien died violently some years later; I don't know what happened to the others. As to the men on the team, the eight involved died somewhat forgotten...it's that asterisk again. The only one who made out as far as honors and respect goes is the man who caused the problem to happen in the first place: Comiskey. Karajou 13:57, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- Thats ok if you moved it I have no problem with it because I know you are a better writer than me. Ya if he only said no to the $5,000. By the way who were the gamblers? have they ever been identified?--Will N. 13:46, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- Jackson does have a consolation of sorts: he's included in Cleveland's Baseball Hall of Fame. Karajou 13:39, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- I moved your paragraph on the subject down near the bottom of the article, as I felt it would fit in better with that paragraph. I'm also not disputing his playing during the Series, as he did do a fine job, which is beyond question. But the fact of the matter was that he did accept $5,000 for his part in the fix, and this is born out by the surviving transcripts of the trial as well as his confessions, and the Baseball Writers Association is stuck looking at that. Without it, Jackson could very well be in the Hall of Fame. And yes, I want to see him in the Hall of Fame too! Karajou 13:38, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- I think he was innocent just the way he played in that seris was amazing. Here are his stats how can you argue with this and still say he was not innocent?: 12-for-32; .375 batting average; 5-for-12 w/ men in scoring position; 5 runs; 3 doubles; 1 home run; 6 RBI. --Will N. 09:06, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
Field of Dreams
Add it as a reference or just leave it out or somehow make it fit in there? I mean what do we do with it? Its a great movie and very factual.--Will N. 13:51, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- Like in trivia stuff? I know it was based on a novel. I think it would be a good subsection. Karajou 13:59, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- I'd put in in something like there were two critically acclaimed films on the subject: Field of Dreams and Eight Men Out, and there would be a brief description of each, especially Field of Dreams because it touched a lot of hearts with what we wanted to happen. Karajou 14:01, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- If you mention Field of Dreams, it also might be worth mentioning the movie Eight Men Out, which I believe was a much more accurate portrayal of the events. --Colest 14:03, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- One is fiction, and the other is based on Asinof's book of the events. The Hollywood films have taken liberties with the truth ("dramatic licence") just to fit a good story inside of two hours. But both do make one want to delve deeper into the story. Karajou 14:09, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
World Series
What I'd like to see is this subsection divided into each individual game, and the notable events during the day in question. For instance, the night before Game 7 Lefty Williams was paid a visit by gamblers, and was allegedly told to lose the next game or something would happen to his family, which he did. Karajou 14:16, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
