Homosexuality is illegal in Ireland? Meaning, they actually arrest you for being gay? I highly doubt that. Could one of our across-the-pond members clean this article up a bit? HelpJazz 19:16, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
- ...clean-up? Even assuming that this isn't parody, it'd need something like a full rewrite, if just to avoid over-the-top phrases like "is guilty of this and guilty of that", which make the article look more like opinion piece and less like encyclopedia. A few sources wouldn't be bad, either. I'd tackle the former, but without sources (and for broad claims like this, it's hard to find any on the fly), I'd have to fly blindly, potentially inducing (more?) inaccuracies. --Jenkins 19:27, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
- Yes, well, the origonal author of the article has said that I have been too harsh on him, so I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt here. Honestly, though, I don't know anything about the Irish Times, so I didn't want to completely cut all of the over the top stuff without knowing what I was doing. Same problem it sounds you have. Hrm, how does one find sources *about* a news source? I'll be back... HelpJazz 22:34, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
- It should not be THAT hard to find sources about the Irish Times. But it should be hard to find sources for the numerous broad claims scattered all the way through the article. If I (fact)-tagged all bold claims, I'd get banned for being a vandal because 25% of the article would be superscripted "Citation needed"s. --Jenkins 22:38, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
- True dat. I removed the following until/if we find sources:
- "The Irish Times was in favor of legalizing homosexuality in 1993, despite the majority of Irish people being opposed to the Homosexual agenda's role in dictating Irish affairs. Similarly, the Irish Times has been guilty of insulting the Catholic Church, a much revered institution in Irish life and is also guilty of promoting the drive to secularism that is eating the island inside. The collapse of the family and the rise of hard drug usage can easily be corresponded with the influence the Irish Times has with the Irish Liberal Elite."
- I think it's ok to call the paper liberal, but the rest should be supported. At a minimum I think most of the above statements only apply to the editorial section, not the whole paper. But as I said, I haven't read it, so if someone can prove me wrong then be my guest! HelpJazz 23:20, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
- True dat. I removed the following until/if we find sources: