View source for Talk:Essay: RationalWiki user Andrew5, who leans somewhat politically to the right, is an irritating thorn in the side of politically left-leaning RationalWikians and he is an obsessive, officious, serial liar with bad judgment (who is also a wikiholic)

"Given his 3+ month tenure at RationalWiki and his many edits, it appears as if he fits in well at RationalWiki!".  I don't read that in the clips presented at all. I read a Discord discussion about a problem user (whom evidently some know from WP) among RW admin, and what to do about him. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]]</sup> 20:33, November 30, 2021 (EST)
:Ok. We will agree to disagree then. 

:But I believe there are plenty of workplaces/clubs where an obsessive, creepy, serial lying weirdo with bad judgment would not last 3+ months if he showed up very regularly. 

:Furthermore, according to RationalWiki admin Moosolino RationalWiki "attracts all sorts of weird people".[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:18, November 30, 2021 (EST)

::My local 7-11 attracts all sorts of weird people, too. RW has processes to deal with unwanted or abusive editors, not just arbitrary blocking by anyone with blocking powers.  I'm not sure what we disagree about.

::Bottomline: Their own words cited in this Essay differ from your conclusion that he "fits right in". Anyone can see that, except possibly you because of your bias and prejudice against RW editors. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]]</sup> 23:12, November 30, 2021 (EST)
== RobS response ==

You expect me or anybody to read all this junk? You are not being cooperative.  You're just vomiting all over the discussion page. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]]</sup> 00:33, December 1, 2021 (EST)

:Have you ever heard about Conservapedia obsessive-compulsive disorder? RationalWiki is one of the top referring websites to Conservapedia according to Alexa. There most certainly will be people who read the material!

[[File:Second dog with a bone.jpg|center|thumbnail|320px|[[Liberal]]s/[[left]]ists  obsessed with [[Conservapedia]] are like a [[dog]] with a bone. Their dogged persistence in thinking about Conservapedia, discussing Conservapedia and making forecasts about Conservapedia is quite prodigious and intense. ]] 
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::Not really. All I see is you spamming the talk page with junk to avoid addressing the issue I raise. You remind me of [[User:Dataclarifier]] who was in the habit of responding the same way. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]]</sup> 01:34, December 1, 2021 (EST)
:::I provided evidence that RW does arbitrary/capriciously blocking and they are not consistent in their rules/processes. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:56, December 1, 2021 (EST) 
::::If a tree falls in the forest, does anybody hear it? Now how about addressing the point I activated this page for. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]]</sup> 03:23, December 1, 2021 (EST)
== Note ==
Speaking as Andrew5 himself, I would like to point out I was on RW for now nearly 9 months [https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JJPMaster&diff=prev&oldid=2305179]. Other then that... --[[User:Andrew5|Andrew5]] ([[User talk:Andrew5|talk]]) 17:18, December 26, 2021 (EST)
:I fixed it Andrew. I suggest making friends in your own community if you have not done so already. And possibly blogging if you still want to write online. If you continue your efforts at RationalWiki, you will become more and more like them.  The wiki has a history of malevolent people. And there have been some notable instances of people there who are mentally unstable at that wiki. I found the following article enlightening you might want to read it also: [https://medium.com/the-mission/youre-not-the-average-of-the-five-people-you-surround-yourself-with-f21b817f6e69 You’re NOT The Average Of The Five People You Surround Yourself With]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:35, December 26, 2021 (EST)
::Thanks for the interesting read. I actually have made friends in my community; I am trying to curb RW usage. Oh also, not entirely sure how much RW appreciates you stalking their discord. --[[User:Andrew5|Andrew5]] ([[User talk:Andrew5|talk]]) 20:36, December 26, 2021 (EST)
:::If you want to curb your RW usage and realize it is a hindrance in your life, then switch to Wikipedia for a while. Then taper down your Wikipedia usage where you do less and less Wikipedia editing each day. Like set a limit on how much Wikipedia editing you do each day and make it less and less each day until it's gone. Another alternative is to go "cold turkey" and abruptly end your RationalWiki and other wiki editing. 

:::Also, speaking as a person who knows something about web marketing, RationalWiki is currently bleeding inbound links at a fast clip and it also lost some search engine traffic in December (see: [[RationalWiki and web traffic]]). Both of these developments may be a sign of future web traffic loss. RationalWiki has 7,000+ pages of web content, but not enough editors to keep the content updated. RationalWiki is in a downward spiral that is more concerned with the ideological purity of its editors rather than the quality of its editors. So the future of that wiki is grim. On top of this, the politically left-of-center faction of USA politics in the USA is probably going to suffer some bruising defeats in 2022 so that might be a demotivator in terms of volunteers. So if you are looking for people to actually read your content in the future, RationalWiki is not a good place to post content. 

:::As far as RW's online forum (The Saloon bar), according to the book ''Click On Democracy: The Internet's Power to Change Political Apathy into Civic Action'', "Peter Kollock and Marc Smith, editors of ''Communities in Cyberspace'',  online chat groups tend to be anarchistic or a dictatorship, depending on how well moderated they are."(''Click On Democracy: The Internet's Power to Change Political Apathy into Civic Action'', page 5, by Steve Davis, Larry Elin and Grant Reheer, Westview Press, 2002). The talk pages and "Saloon Bar" discussion areas of RationalWiki fall on the dictatorship part of the moderation spectrum. The problem with this approach is that it is not a viable way to bring in new editors.

:::I also have another suggestion that I am doing myself. It involves replacing less profitable activities for more profitable ones. For example, in 2022 I am expanding my work hours and upgrading some skill sets I have. Since you have an interest in writing, perhaps you might want to peruse this list of classic books on how to write better that is located [[User:Conservative/Excellent books on basic skills|HERE]]. I plan on reading some of those books in the next 3-5 years. And now that the pandemic is becoming less lethal [https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/22/omicron-oddity-case-numbers-dont-predict-deaths/ via a less deadly variant], I would like to resume my gym membership in either 2022/2023. In the meantime, it is unfortunately going to be aerobic routines and calisthenics. Plus, I have a book on karate so perhaps that will be more fun (In the past, I was a member of a martial art school. It is a great way to get in shape.). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:16, December 27, 2021 (EST)
::::One additional matter.  LeafyGreenMariao wrote: "That's probably just the nature of the Discord. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄(Mod) 20:45, 26 December 2021 (UTC)".  

::::Andrew5, that is a lame excuse. The Discord gives people an outlet to bring out their true selves. Jesus said, "The good person out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure produces evil, for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks." (Luke 6:45 ESV).  After all is said and done, either what they wrote about you is true or it is not. If it is true, then they should have confronted you at their wiki rather than engage in gossip. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 03:08, December 27, 2021 (EST)
=== Attention Andrew and other RationalWiki editors. I would abandon that sinking ship you call RationalWiki. See the disheartening data below. Abandon all hope RationalWikians! The end is near! ===

[[File:SEMRush Google referal traffic to RationalWiki 12-27-2021.JPG|20000px|center|thumbnail|Accordimg to SEMRush.com, RationalWiki received about 185,000 monthly referral visits from Google desktop computer users in December as of December 27, 2021 and the monthly web visitors saw about a 5.8% loss. 
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<big>'''Key point:'''</big> If you click on the graphic below, you will see that RationalWiki was receiving 300,000+ monthly referral visits from Google desktop computer users in April 2021.  So RationalWiki lost a large amount of its Google referral traffic in 2021. Specifically, RationalWiki lost 115,000 Google monthly referral visits from Google desktop computer users from April 2021 to December 2021. ]]
[[File:Google referral traffic to RationalWiki.org.PNG|thumbnail|20,000px|center|RationalWiki lost a massive amount of Google referral traffic in 2019/2020 (Please click graphic above to enlarge it). ]]
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“switch to Wikipedia for a while” He’s blocked there [https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:Andrew5]. [[User:Skelly|Skelly]] ([[User talk:Skelly|talk]]) 13:09, December 27, 2021 (EST)