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This article should be at "Columbine massacre". [[User:Human|Human]] 20:00, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
:I'm fine (obviously) with "Columbine High School massacre".  Thank you. [[User:Human|Human]] 20:25, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
::I thought "Columbine massacre" may be a bit too ambiguous, since Columbines are also flowers. I wouldn't want someone to come and mistake this for "the flower massacre". --<font color="#0000CC" face="Comic Sans MS">[[User:Hojimachong|'''Hojimachong''']]</font><sup><font color="00FFAA">[[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]]</font></sup> 20:29, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

I would prefer [[Columbine school shooting]]. I tried moving Wikipedia's parallel article there as well. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Columbine_school_shootings&diff=123823018&oldid=123801330] --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] 13:30, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

==Anti-religious?==

Where in the sources does it say that the shooters where anti-religious or targetting specially christians? cant find any mention about that. [[User:Timppeli|Timppeli]] 20:10, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
:It's common knowledge, but I'll go find a source to add authenticity. --<font color="#0000CC" face="Comic Sans MS">[[User:Hojimachong|'''Hojimachong''']]</font><sup><font color="00FFAA">[[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]]</font></sup> 20:11, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
::Yeah, I do seem to remember they asked one girl if she was a Christian before shooting her. <font color="FFD700">[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]</font><sup><font color="000000">[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]</font></sup> 20:12, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
:::That was Cassie Bernall. Sorry, I didn't see the Christianity part; that's a myth, they just wanted body count. --<font color="#0000CC" face="Comic Sans MS">[[User:Hojimachong|'''Hojimachong''']]</font><sup><font color="00FFAA">[[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]]</font></sup> 20:14, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
::::You sure? I remember reading in Newsweek about one killer asking a girl if she was a Christian before shooting her in the head. <font color="FFD700">[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]</font><sup><font color="000000">[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]</font></sup> 20:44, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
:::::It's in the 2nd citation in the article.--[[User:Stereophile|Stereophile]] 21:09, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
I find it odd that the article says they're anti-religous when Eric was raised Catholic and Dylan was raised Luteran?  Is it just convienent to leave this out? [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 11:39, 20 April 2007 (EDT)
:::::: I also find it odd that the article states that the boys were anti-social, anti-gun control, and whatnot, but provides no sources to actually support those opinions. Many things have been cleared up or found out in the past ten years. The article looks like it was written the week after the shooting.[[User:Innkeeper|Innkeeper]] 00:07, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

== Edits Needed ==

Three edits are needed in order to improve this article. First off, the article indicates that "The killers were anti-religion, anti-establishment, antisocial, and anti-sports." While some or all of this statement may or may not be true, the cited article(s) don't indicate that any part of the statement is true, and in the sidebar even shows that neither was as outcast from their peers as much as portrayed in most renditions of the events. It goes to say that "They were not captains of the football team, but they were far more accepted than many of their schoolmates. They hung out with a tight circle of close friends and partied regularly on the weekend with a wider crowd." I think that this should either be removed or a source that properly and verifiably indicates the statement in question is correct.

Also, a large part of their plot was not only that they would gun down students, but also set off a series pipe bombs in and around the school, despite the failure of all the bombs to detonate.It is imperative that this segment is also added to the story, as it is a major part of the events of the columbine massacre. Included with this I believe it would be appropriate in the article to delve into more detail on the backround of the attack such as the past of both boys as well as the planning that was involved in them pulling it off.--[[User:Stereophile|Stereophile]] 21:09, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

:This article is on the Main Page saying it needs to be improved... yet it is locked. [[User:GodlessLiberal|GodlessLiberal]] 15:13, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

== Bullying ==

I do not seek to excuse what the Columbine killers did; their actions were inexcusable.  However, this article fails to mention the fact that their reason for murder was the fact that they were constantly bullied by classmates, likely by the ones who they later killed.  -- X. Dulks

==A note on "Doom"==
A long-standing urban legend is that the boys had created a simulation of their school to use with the cult classic "Doom" and used this to train for their rampage. It *is* true that the boys were indeed huge fans of the game, and they *did* claim their rampage was going to be "just like Doom", but there is *no* evidence, nowhere, that they had actually created levels based on Columbine.

Levels created by one of the shooters DO exist, but these resemble nothing like a high school, being little more than straightforward all-out deathmatch arenas: hardly training for a high school rampage, let alone a "murder simulator", the current trend word for FPS games. [[User:FreakyM|FreakyM]] 08:03, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

:The Harris Levels were more than just deathmatch arenas, they had several new textures among other things. Plus extra gore. But beyond that, just deathmatch. They look nothing like Columbine. [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 23:57, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

== I Daresay ==

that the (small) article can barely begin to describe what happened at Columbine.
Having researched the Columbine shootings for the better part of a year, I can say it's sorely lacking.

Here is a link to a thesis I wrote.  (unsigned comment by Soulsetfire)
(link removed due to inappropriate image and excessive language by [[User:DanH|DanH]] ))

=Michael Moore is what exactly=

Can we please decide if Moore is a socialist or liberal. The two things are entirely distinct. Contributors may enjoy accusing him of being both, but this is rather like calling him a communist and a fascist. Frankly, though he may approve of a national health service, nothing else he has said suggests he is in favor of widespread collectivization. Let's just call him left-wing and leave it at that.

*Moore has also stated he is in favor of wealth redistribution as well.  I would say he is a socialistic liberal.  --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 22:02, 5 June 2007 (EDT)

==Americans==
I removed an unsourced statement that the perpetrators sought out "Americans". That would hardly have been difficult in a Colorado High School. [[User:Daphnea|Daphnea]] 14:18, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

== New Information & Expansion of page ==
I was hoping to expand this page more, using the acclaimed book Columbine by Dave Cullen, as well as the many trustable Christian citations available online, any objections? ConservaCelt