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Didn't Jesus turn water into wine? [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 13:12, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

Marijuana and nicotine aren't alcoholic drinks, they're drugs. Also, don't some denominations of Christianity actually drink wine (an alcoholic drink) as part of Holy Communion?[[User:MatteeNeutra|MatteeNeutra]] 13:14, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

::Where in the sentence ''Alchoholic Drinks, like Marijuana and nicotine, are considered to be gateway drugs...'' does it say are alcoholic drinks? It states they are [[gateway drugs]].
::[[User:JC|JC]] 13:17, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

:::The bit where it says "'''Alcoholic Drinks, like Marijuana and nocotine''', are gateway drugs."[[User:MatteeNeutra|MatteeNeutra]] 13:18, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

::Try ''''Dogs, like pigs and sheep, are considered to be mammals...''. Does that make pigs and sheep, dogs?
::[[User:JC|JC]] 13:21, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

::: No because all 3 of them are mammals.  Your original statement was similiar to "Dogs, like fish and snakes, are considered to be mammals ..." [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 13:25, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

::Alcohol, Marijuana and nocotine are gateway drugs. Is it so difficult to understand?
::[[User:JC|JC]] 13:51, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
:::Alcohol, marijuana, and nicotine are '''not''' gateway drugs. There is no evidence to support that claim. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 18:09, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

::That's different because pigs and sheep are simliar to dogs in that they are all animals. Marijuana and nicotine aren't anything like alcoholic drinks! Also in an article of this nature, where the subject matter is supposed to be about alcoholic drinks, an example of alcoholic drinks would be better mentioned rather than a drug reference.(Jrssr5 got there first!)[[User:MatteeNeutra|MatteeNeutra]] 13:28, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

No, it is a good point. Alchoholism, like those other drugs, is often trivialized, but can lead people to much greater abuses. That's why the bible warns to stay away from it.--CWilson

:It was the way it was written NOT the content. I changed it to eliminate conflusion. [[User:Cracker|Cracker]]<sup>[[User_Talk:Cracker|talk]]</sup> 13:34, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

The way the sentence was originally crafted made the "drinks" the object, so that anything that came parenthetically after the comma would be assumed to be alcoholic drinks as well. Changing the word to "alcohol" makes the object of the sentence "drugs", thus gives better readibilty.[[User:Cracker|Cracker]]<sup>[[User_Talk:Cracker|talk]]</sup> 13:40, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

:Yes, that's a good edit and it clears up the article. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 13:42, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

Jesus did not prohibit the drinking of alcohol.  Read John 2:1-11, where Jesus makes water into wine at his mother's request.  Surely if alcohol were a "demon drink", as the article describes alcoholic beverages at the time of my writing this, Jesus of all people wouldn't be providing it at parties.  [[User:Schmit|Schmit]]01:23, 14 March 2007

Since Conservapedia is trying to at least pretend to be 'unbiased', how about a few quotes from the Koran or the Book of Mormon about the evils of drink, as well?  (And in Biblical times, drinking wine was likely to be significantly healthier than drinking water, due to the presence of cholera and other microbes, which the alcohol in booze would help kill.) --[[User:Scrap|Scrap]] 04:46, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

:If you don't like the content of a page, say you think it does not include enough information, you are free to add it (Unless the page has been locked), that is the beauty of the wiki format.  So, find the information and add it.--[[User:Reginod|Reginod]] 18:02, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

Why does 'Alcohol' redirect to this page on Alcoholic Drinks?  Alcoholic drinks are based on ethanol, which is only one form of alcohol.  --[[User:Brewer13210|Todd]] 11:42, 15 March, 2007 (EDT)

:Please continue this debate at [[Conservapedia:Are alcohol, marijuana, and nicotine gateway drugs?]] --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] 18:18, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

== Wine was transformed into the blood of Christ. ==

Not all branches of Christianity accept the Catholic tenant of [[Transubstantiation]].  Is there a better way to word this? --[[User:Mtur|Mtur]] 16:44, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

== Singular vs plural ==

[[Alcoholic drink]] redirects here.  Is it possible to flip this around so that it works with correct wiki style? --[[User:Mtur|Mtur]] 16:55, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
:Fixed&mdash;only eight months later!  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 07:49, 9 December 2007 (EST)

== Alcoholism and Depression ==

Removing this section, which is entirely unsourced. Certainly the Church can help those with depression, but it's not the only suitable replacement for alcohol.

== Dry counties in the United States? ==

From the article, in the ''Alcohol and Islam'' section: "''Consumption of alcohol is banned in several countries including Iran and Saudi Arabia, in similar fashion to "dry" counties in the United States''". Could anyone expand in the article about these "dry counties"? Is alcohol prohibited in some places in the US? Maybe I should move there! But I'm not muslim! --[[User:Drunk|Drunk]] 15:57, 16 November 2008 (EST)
:Article on dry counties already exists, so I added the link. I will pray for your sobriety. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 03:05, 17 November 2008 (EST)

== Alcohol and its effects ==

"Too much alcohol results in intoxication or drunkenness (even death), impairment of speech, and aggressive outbursts that verge on violence."

While it's true that some people are violent after ingesting alcoholic drinks (so-called mean drunks), it cannot be generalized. Since ethanol is a depressant, it can have quite the opposite effect.