View source for Talk:Evolutionists who have had problems with being overweight and/or obese

== A problem with this essay.... ==

Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)
:[[Ken Ham]] is thin. And unlike the evolutionist [[PZ Myers]], he does not struggle climbing up and down the triceratops at the [[Creation Museum]].  Please see the evolutionist PZ Myers struggle to get himself up and down the triceratops at the Creation Museum [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQQl2TMrgbM HERE].  So sad and pathetic! The creationist Ken Ham, who is a big believer in [[medical science]] and [[exercise science]] and is much thinner than PZ Myers, climbs up and down the triceratops at the Creation Museum all by himself![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:00, 17 February 2020 (EST)
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, "Be ye perfect as I am perfect" and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as "bright"/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay. The article is chock-full of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)
::::::::: "In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as "bright"/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational." That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what "Conservative" says. I wonder how "Conservative" will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? "Conservative" does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that "Conservative" is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)
:::Do the studies deal with the "very religious" and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, "Be ye perfect as I am perfect" and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as "bright"/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to "safely" ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)
When I think of the two most fanatical evolutionists, I think of PZ Myers and Aron Ra. Both have had significant issues with being overweight! And eating is a very fundamental practice for biological creatures. And both of these gentlemen do it very badly. Sad![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:40, 17 February 2020 (EST)

== This Essay ==
The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)
:Not an essay. The article is brimming with facts. Your attempt to try to make it an essay shows your pettiness! Deny these prominent evolutionists badly engage in the basic biological function of eating, which is absolutely for humans that do not use intravenous feeding, and lose all credibility![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:45, 17 February 2020 (EST)

::As far as whom this article helps make look stupid, both obesity and excess weight impair brain function! See: [[Obesity and its negative impact on intelligence]]. No wonder creationists tend to win the creation vs. evolution debates and why overweight evolutionists tend to avoid creation vs. evolution debates (see: [[Creation vs. evolution debates]]). 

::I hope this clarifies matters.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:07, 18 February 2020 (EST)