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[[User:Conservative]]: Put your [[bigot]]ry in an [[Essay]], not here. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 12:29, May 13, 2024 (EDT)

::No bigotry. Why are you trying to alter history by engaging in historical revisionism? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:31, May 13, 2024 (EDT)

:::Not me. You're the one involved in historical revisionism.

:::Goose stepping goes back to [[Frederick the Great]]. 

:::The UK never adopted it cause the UK is a naval power, and never had much of a cavalry. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 12:55, May 13, 2024 (EDT)

I literally posted valid/true pictures communists engaging in goosestepping and other soldiers doing the same and you are trying to remove them. Why is that not historical revisionism? 

Previously, I have you incidences of you  trying to censoring negative comments about socialists/communists at Consrvapedia and also making an anti-capitalism remark related to Conservapedia editors as can be seen below. 

"IOWs, if you don't have anything positive to say about socialists and communists, just shut up, at least for the duration of the war. Read the bios of Bill Donovan, Frank Knox, and Henry Stimson. And if you don't know what I'm talking about, you especially need to just shut up. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:54, January 21, 2023 (EST)"

"Fascism is both socialism and capitalism; and User:Conservative is glad to have Karajou back to defend User:Conservative's brand of "capitalism". RobSGive Peace a Chance! 22:06, October 2, 2023 (EDT)

Your blatant attempts at censorship and historical revisionism needs to stop. It's totally ridiculous. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:04, May 13, 2024 (EDT)

:That's a distortion of history. Goosestepping predates the Nazi & Soviet eras.  Even the [[Kuomintang]] adopted the goose step from its [[Weimar Republic]] advisors in the 1920s, and the [[PLA]] continued the tradition.

:I have been a member of Wikipedia Project Military History of 18 years - the WP Project that makes the Wikipedia experience worthwhile. You're not going to win this debate with you [[propagandizing]] [[hate speech]]. Put you bigotted views in Essay space. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 13:04, May 13, 2024 (EDT)

::So what if it predates the Nazi and the Soviet areas, the current article clearly states this. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:06, May 13, 2024 (EDT)

:::So what? So what is everything for what you are trying to make this look like. [[George Orwell]] published a piece in 1946, the early [[Cold War]]. That's what is called "[[propaganda]]", which you boastfully claimed only yesterday you can spot. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 13:08, May 13, 2024 (EDT)

:::Modern NATO member Poland uses the goosestep. Are they atheistic communist authoritarians? 13:10, May 13, 2024 (EDT)
:::(ec) So does Slovakia. So does Hungary. 

:::Your [[bigotry]] and lack of fundamental knowledge and research gets very tiring after a while. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 13:15, May 13, 2024 (EDT)
Now you are trying to remove what [[George Orwell]] said about goose stepping? Where does your attempts to erase history end? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:12, May 13, 2024 (EDT)
:Orwell is your only source. And by your own admission, it is incorrect. Goosestepping pre-dates [[totalitarian]] regimes.   [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 13:15, May 13, 2024 (EDT)

:Leave Orwell in. It's a lesson in the naivete and propaganda in the Angelo-American world. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 13:18, May 13, 2024 (EDT)

:The Orwell quote itself is a deliberate distortion of facts and historical revisionism. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 13:19, May 13, 2024 (EDT)

::{{prr}} I certainly welcomed you to put pictures of Polish/Mexican soldiers goose stepping (See: User: Aschlafly's talk page) and/or valid news accounts if you have such pictures or news accounts. 

::{{prr}} [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:27, May 13, 2024 (EDT)
:::{{prr}} I will once again contact the owner of the website to have reality inserted into the website. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:38, May 13, 2024 (EDT)

:User:Conservative says in an edit summary: ''"goose stepping most commonly associated with Nazi Germany. Article needs a picture related to this"''

:In your mind. But that only shows how limited and [[prejudice]]d your knowledge and judgment is. You apparently understand very little about [[military]] [[history]] and traditions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 14:43, May 13, 2024 (EDT)
::If you walked up to 100-200 people in a man of the street survey and asked them what first comes to mind when they think of goose stepping of course it is going to be Nazi Germany which is not surprising. And goose stepping originated in Prussia which was part of the German Empire. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:50, May 13, 2024 (EDT)
::::Your time frame is messed up. By the "German Empire" I presume you are referring to the [[Second Reich]] which was founded 1871; goosestepping began under [[Frederick the Great]] a hundred years earlier when [[Berlin]] was just a waystation between [[Paris]] and [[Moscow]]. There was no empire. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 15:17, May 13, 2024 (EDT)
:::Of course. That's what's called "World War II propaganda". Better yet, WWII propaganda in the Angelo-American world, cause most of the world today knows better.

:::Now that you have admitted goosestepping predates totalitarian times, you still miss the major point to learn here: [[Czar]]ist Russia adopted [[Prussian]] military training and invited in German trainers and advisors to train the Russian military in pre-[[World War I]] times cause they admired, respected and feared Prussian military force. This harkens back to a time of better [[international relations]] between Russia and Germany. 

:::Secondly, you totally miss the point that even the [[revolution]]ary [[Nazi]]s, [[Bolsheviks]], and [[CCP|Chicoms]] respected military traditions, which runs counter to the revolutionary ideal. 

:::You get an "F" grade in this history lesson. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 15:06, May 13, 2024 (EDT)

::Reading assignment: Gordon Craig, ''[https://archive.org/details/politicsofpruss00gord Politics of the Prussian Army 1640-1945]'', Publication date 1955. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 15:24, May 13, 2024 (EDT)

==The language of horse culture==
[[File:A-good-method-for-mounting-your-horse.jpg|right|250px|thumb|"Pulling oneself up by their bootstraps" (left) ''versus.'' receiving a "leg up" (right), contrasted.]]
In the bible, the [[horse]] is the animal of [[war]]. The language and idioms of horse culture exists in all languages, and will not be easily replaced by a century or two of modern rail and auto transportation. But it is necessary in the modern world to give context to some of these idioms

The ''Stechschritt'' (similar to stretch strut in English) is meant to stretch the muscles and tendons of the leg for horseback riding. Good muscle tone in the leg is necessary for good horseback riding, and not just to give oneself the strength for "a leg up".

Cavalry, or the Knights of old (as in [[Chess]] with the ability to jump over common foot soldiers or pawns), have been replaced in modern warfare with pilots. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 14:43, May 14, 2024 (EDT)

*[https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1758122937905820057 how India and Pakistan handle their border security - by far the most civilized way to wage a war...]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 15:39, May 16, 2024 (EDT)