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Really? [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 18:13, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

:It's a deliberate strategy. See the quote I just posted about feminism opposing reason.

:Liberals claim to exalt human reason, but all too often they do just the opposite. Don't you see that as a contradiction? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 18:16, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

::I see that as a contradiction, but I don't believe for one minute that all liberals are like your quote. Even so, your quotation doesn't say that liberals want to get rid of reason, it says that one radical feminist want's to look again at the ''study'' of reason. 

::If we keep the article we should probably remove the link to [[ad hominem]], because the article itself is pretty close to ad hominem in itself. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 18:25, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

:I was going to vote for you to be promoted to admin, but if you miss words like ''typical'' and then argue from the basis that the text meant all - then I guess I better not.

:You also missed "Everything must go - even the allegedly universal disciplines of logic, mathematics and science". The quote didn't talk about the [[university]] discipline, you know. ;-) --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 18:30, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

::I can't get edit rights and Andy publicly ridicules me -- I'm not expecting admin any time soon, anyway.
::I see exactly what you are trying to say, and I did see the word "typical" but I still don't think it's true. "Most" liberals are not irrational -- any more than "most" conservatives are.
::Lastly, I read the whole quote but interpreted it in the context that I've heard radical feminists say it time after time after time: they think that everything has a "man bias" and so it should be redone, not removed. I don't think that whoever said that honestly believes that we don't need logic, math or science. 18:39, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

:Oh, like when a woman tells her husband, "You never take me to the movies"? She means that he doesn't take her often enough, or maybe just that she'd like to go in the near future. 

:Well, I think there should be one standard for all academics. No fair holding men to a strict standard of accountability, while women can say anything they want and then take it back.

:This is an encyclopedia, and if that particular feminist quote was not meant to be taken literally we need another quote. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 18:51, 27 March 2008 (EDT)
:::::(A quick tip Ed:  When a woman tells her husband, "You never take me to the movies", she ain't talking about going to the movies...)--[[User:RossC|RossC]] 20:35, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

::I agree that men and women should be taken on their word. I just don't agree that this one quotation extends to all or most liberals. Maybe we should take it literally -- sometimes radical feminists really just are that crazy! ;-) [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 19:49, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

== It's Not Going to be as Funny as You Hope ==

Ed,

You've said in several places that you can't wait for April 1st. When the jokes and the real articles can't be told apart, yelling "April Fools!" won't be nearly as amusing. [[User:Aziraphale|Aziraphale]] 19:57, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

==Suggestion==

Honestly, Ed, I've got no problem with you having your own opinion, but maybe with some elaboration this might fit the standards of an essay. Until then, this is little more than a hate filled ramble masquerading as fact, and as such should quite probably be deleted or moved to your namespace so you can improve it further. [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 20:00, 27 March 2008 (EDT)
:I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a hate-filled ramble. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 20:19, 27 March 2008 (EDT)
::You're right. Perhaps ramble is too strong a term. [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 20:23, 27 March 2008 (EDT)
:::Considering you've already been blocked 10 times (by my count), one would think that you would put a little more "constructive" into your constructive criticisms and a little less "criticism", eh? [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 20:27, 27 March 2008 (EDT)
::::I did. I suggested moving unencyclopedic content to the proper namespace. [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 20:29, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

== Or simply use the quote, "There are three types of lies, lies, damned lies, and statistics."==

So true, everytime I shows that statistics show they are wrong, they use that quote --<span style="margin-top: -3px;">&nbsp;[[Image:50 star flag.png|12px]]</span><span style="position:relative; overflow:hidden; width:88px; height:15px; z-index:2;"> [[User:Deborah|Deborah]] [[Special:Contributions/Deborah|<font color="gray">(contributions)</font>]] [[User_talk:Deborah|<font color="darkslategray">(talk)</font>]]</span> 23:00, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

No wonder it seemed so true, I wrote it, I guess I forgot that I wrote that --<span style="margin-top: -3px;">&nbsp;[[Image:50 star flag.png|12px]]</span><span style="position:relative; overflow:hidden; width:88px; height:15px; z-index:2;"> [[User:Deborah|Deborah]] [[Special:Contributions/Deborah|<font color="gray">(contributions)</font>]] [[User_talk:Deborah|<font color="darkslategray">(talk)</font>]]</span> 23:05, 15 May 2008 (EDT)