Talk:Essay:Calming the Storm

Fascinating comparison. Should we add the CBP translation as well? --TeacherEd 11:13, 20 November 2010 (EST)

Please do add the CBP translation!--Andy Schlafly 12:41, 20 November 2010 (EST)

I think it is silly to have all columns sortable. May I change this? --JulesBongo 17:53, 20 November 2010 (EST)

You're right. Please do fix that. Also, edits are welcome to fill out the tables and suggest improvements -- I'll be doing more of that later today as needed.--Andy Schlafly 18:02, 20 November 2010 (EST)

Probably one of the dumbests things in the CBP

Andy, you wrote: " But "λέγω" -- the Greek term used for said in some versions -- does not appear in the Greek above,"

No, but εἶπεν appears in all Greek versions of Mark 4:39 - as well as in the version used by you! Are you not able to spot an irregular verb? Your complaint is like saying that the verb "to be" is not used in the sentence "the cat is black"!

Any pupil learns the principal forms of verbs like λέγω early on - this shows that you are lacking the most basic knowledge of Greek! --AugustO 05:30, 21 June 2015 (EDT)

Clarifying Mark 4:39

The verse contains the words:

“

εἶπεν τῇ θαλάσσῃ Σιώπα, πεφίμωσο.

”

• εἶπεν is a conjugate form of λέγω, in fact, it is 3rd person singular aorist active indicative. The obvious translation is "He said", or "He commanded". But perhaps he spoke to himself?
• No, he didn't he addressed the sea (θάλασσα) directly, indicated by τῇ θαλάσσῃ, the dative of this feminine noun. But perhaps it was a silent exchange?
• No, it wasn't: Σιώπα, πεφίμωσο is a command, imperative versions of the words Σιώπα ("silence") and φιμόω ("to muzzle"). This is direct speech: Σιώπα means "Silence!" and "πεφίμωσο" means "Be muzzled!"

Putting this all together we get:

“

He commanded the sea: "Silence! Be quite!

”

Therefore, the whole essay is nonsense, based on a rookie mistake.

--AugustO 06:08, 21 June 2015 (EDT)

Modern physicians -- the insights of quantum mechanics -- suggest that the calming was achieved by observation, not by word or deed.

Physicians????? --AugustO 09:04, 21 June 2015 (EDT)

The real meaning of the Greek "ἐπιτιμάω" is closer to "judge" than to affirmatively rebuke.

I couldn't find any source confirming this "insight". ἐπιτιμάω has quite opposite meanings (honor and rebuke) - like "to sanction" in English. But "to judge" is none of them. In fact, ἐπιτιμάω is done by a judge after his judgement... --AugustO 09:24, 21 June 2015 (EDT)