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→Denmark/Sweden/France/California are not Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union. Stop pretending that liberalism equals fascism or communism
:::You're missing my point. Liberalism and fascism/communism are the same in many ways (atheism, labor, one-world government, anti-family, government control in the lives of people for communism; big government, animal "rights," environmentalism, gun control, socialism with the Nazis). These are liberals, but more extreme versions of them. They are liberals nonetheless. Also, let's not make library book the final authority, as liberals obviously don't want to call nazism and communism liberalism. Let's look at their policies and ''not'' what the mainstream thinks of them. Their policies were left-wing. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:42, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
:::You're missing my point. Liberalism and fascism/communism are the same in many ways (atheism, labor, one-world government, anti-family, government control in the lives of people for communism; big government, animal "rights," environmentalism, gun control, socialism with the Nazis). These are liberals, but more extreme versions of them. They are liberals nonetheless. Also, let's not make library book the final authority, as liberals obviously don't want to call nazism and communism liberalism. Let's look at their policies and ''not'' what the mainstream thinks of them. Their policies were left-wing. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:42, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
::::The secular left is made up of atheists/agnostics. The Soviet Union and communism is militant atheism. Not militant agnosticism.
::::The secular left is made up of atheists/agnostics. The Soviet Union and communism is militant atheism. Not agnosticism or "militant agnosticism".
::::Communism was not well known for animal rights.
::::Communism was not well known for animal rights. When I think of the Soviet Union or Chinese communism or the Russians, animal rights activism does not spring to mind.
::::The environmental record for communism is very poor compared to liberalism. If you haven't done any research on this matter, please do so.
::::The environmental record for communism is very poor compared to liberalism. If you haven't done any research on this matter, please do so.
::::This may be correct and I have not thoroughly researched it, "The Nazis ordered soldiers to plant more trees. They were the first Europeans to establish nature reserves and order the protection of hedgerows and other wildlife habitats. And they were horrified at the idea of hydroelectric dams on the Rhine. Adolf Hitler and other leading Nazis were vegetarian and they passed numerous laws on animal rights."[http://www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/mydocs/ecology/nazi_ecology.htm] But conservation is different from environmentalism so I am not sure how fair it is to say that Nazism practiced environmentalism in terms of its ideology. See: [[Conservation vs. environmentalism]]
::::This may be correct and I have not thoroughly researched it, "The Nazis ordered soldiers to plant more trees. They were the first Europeans to establish nature reserves and order the protection of hedgerows and other wildlife habitats. And they were horrified at the idea of hydroelectric dams on the Rhine. Adolf Hitler and other leading Nazis were vegetarian and they passed numerous laws on animal rights."[http://www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/mydocs/ecology/nazi_ecology.htm] But conservation is different from environmentalism so I am not sure how fair it is to say that Nazism practiced environmentalism in terms of its ideology. See: [[Conservation vs. environmentalism]] The bottom line though is you have to explain things. Not just bury them in footnotes with a few words. You will destroy any shred of credibility the article has if you do this. I did clean up some of the more ridiculous claims like Attila the Hun being a liberal.
::::European social democracies which are liberal are different from communist countries. People can do open air preaching in many liberal countries in Europe. You cannot do that in communist countries.
::::European social democracies which are liberal are different from communist countries. People can do open air preaching in many liberal countries in Europe. You cannot do that in communist countries.