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Line 1: − + − + − − ==Administrator Warning== − Do not vandalize discussion pages. [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:NishantXavier&diff=prev&oldid=1663378] This is a serious offense. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 21:34, 29 June 2020 (EDT) − − == Catholic vs. Protestant debates: I posted this material on User: NishantXavier and User: RobSmith's talk pages == − − Please read this material I posted on User: NishantXavier's and User: RobSmith's talk pages. Line 15:
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Line 53: − + − == NishantXavier's talk page is not a debate page. Please stop now. == − − NishantXavier's talk page is not a debate page. Please stop using it as a talk page. − − I moved your material to: [[Debate: Is there a Purgatory before Judgment Day]] − − I keep telling people to stop using NishantXavier's talk page as a debate page, but obstinate people keep doing it. Stop!!!! − − I want a complete end to bickering on NishantXavier's talk page. It is filling it up with rancor and poorly formed, no holds barred "arguments". This has got to stop. − − Use debate pages. They are meant for people to logically bring forth arguments in a coherent and well-thought out manner. In addition, debate pages are user friendly and lay out material in a topically relevant manner. Search engines bring lots of traffic to websites by bringing people to topically relevant pages. User talk pages are a mishmash of various material and are lousy at bringing search engine traffic to Conservapedia. − − I am a patient person, but if you keep using NishantXavier's talk page as a quasi debate page, I will block you. And I won't feel bad doing it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 03:25, 25 July 2020 (EDT) − − :I suggest you move the entire portion of the section I commented on, beginning with RobSmith's "Non-scripture. Moot" provocative debate comment, and all through from there down to the end of the portion I contributed in response to him that you moved. To be fair. Thanks. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 03:20, 25 July 2020 (EDT) − − ::No offense I/S cause I really think some good can come from our discussions, but I'm going to speak my mind to Cons. − − ::Cons, I think I/S is too dumb to understand or follow the rules, so go easy on him. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 03:32, 25 July 2020 (EDT) − :::Right before my comment to IndependendentSkeptic, I was dealing with a lady who was self-sabotaging herself. Perhaps, my patience was wearing thin with mankind. − − :::"Women are irrational, that's all there is to that! ...They're nothing but exasperating, irritating, vacillating, calculating, agitating, Maddening and infuriating hags! Pickering, why can't a woman be more like a man?" - ''My Fair Lady.''[https://www.metrolyrics.com/a-hymn-to-him-lyrics-my-fair-lady.html][[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 03:48, 25 July 2020 (EDT) − ::::lol. If I have one complaint about God and the bible, he doesn't give us much to go on how to deal with a crazy and irrational woman. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 03:55, 25 July 2020 (EDT) − − I'm going to add my own comment. It's pointless to respond to RobSmith's provocative Catholic-baiting and debate statements pregnant with anti-Catholic responses and [[misrepresentation]]s, it only generates more debate, which is what he wants. It's not enough for him to simply respond to controversial topics on the relevant debate page(s), he continues to insist on debate with repetitious content on NishantXavier's talk page (and insults as well), just as I warned he would. He revels in the contention he generates. To restrict him to debate pages only would cramp his style, and leave him unsatisfied and frustrated. That's not what he wants: He's happiest with No holds barred and No rules for debate. <br>@Conservative, even after RobSmith continued to provoke debate on NishantXavier's page you did not move any of RobSmith's debate comments to the relevant Debate pages, though you moved IndependentSkeptic's comment to the Purgatory debate page without including the context of it as being in fact in response to RobSmith's disparaging attack on him ("''you don't know what church is''") and his strawman attack on the doctrine of Purgatory. This suggests to me that you may not be aware of a lack of dispassionate and impartial judgment on your part. With genuine respect. <br> (I did warn IndependentSkeptic to stay off Conservapedia, and he wouldn't listen. I respectfully suggest you permanently block him and me, both of us, Block infinity. I am serious, no joke. Then we can get on with our lives. There is life after Conservapedia.) Thanks. With respect. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 04:31, 25 July 2020 (EDT) − :You are full of it. I do not Catholic-bait. I stand ready to defend the Bible. You constantly attack the Word of God. When questioned, you' don't know the Word of God. You play the victim and hide behind Catholicism which doesn't require you to know God's word. Worse yet, then you threaten to send me to hell for not being as ignorant of God's word as you are. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 09:07, 25 July 2020 (EDT) − :Incidentally, I found more of your lies and fraud in the [[Atonement]] article. If you wish to defend you fraudulent activity, meet me there on the talk page. But it would be awfully stupid of you, since Purgatory denies Christ as our atonement. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 09:18, 25 July 2020 (EDT) − ::Dataclarifier and RobSmith, please transform your disagreements to debates using debate pages. Thank you.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:19, 25 July 2020 (EDT) − Gentelemen, please keep the Catholic/Protestant conflicts on civil debate pages using well-organized debate pages. Have your arguments on those pages be as logical and well-supported as possible. + − Please have encyclopedia articles dealing with Protestant/Catholic/Eastern Orthodox issues be as objective as possible. And please have their talk pages be as constructive as possible. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:38, 25 July 2020 (EDT)+
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Revision as of 03:19, August 3, 2020
, 03:19, August 3, 2020following through on lead by Conservative and the example of Dataclarifier in response, to clean out contentious or acrimonious debate/exchange material more properly belonging on debate pages
== I quit - notice of quitting Conservapedia copied from my note on talk page of Dataclarifier ==
== I quit - notice of quitting Conservapedia copied and edited from my note on talk page of Dataclarifier ==
For the record, I knew "Dataclarifier" as a co-worker in health care. After he had a TIA and brain-bleed in June/July 2018 and recovered, then resumed contributing to Conservapedia, he still needed a home health care companion. I offered him after I retired to move in as a private pay companion. We shared the same devotion to Jesus Christ. I got interested in his project of harmonizing the New Testament and asked if I could contribute a narrative version of it, since I had worked with the state commission for the blind. He was enthusiastic. I got permission to use his computer and signed on as IndependentSkeptic. Well, after I had done a lot on an audio adaptation, I had a chance to take a 4-week vacation. I just got back. After I finished what I had already done on the audio narrative pages, he told me what had been going on. I have read what RobSmith and VargasMilan have done. I also read the great support by NishantXavier. So I told Dataclarifier to make his final rebuttal under my ID. I agree with him on everything he said here above. Completely. You won't hear from me either, "as of this moment". '''I quit.''' God have mercy on your souls. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 15:07, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
For the record, I knew "Dataclarifier" as a co-worker in health care. After he had a TIA and brain-bleed in June/July 2018 and recovered, then resumed contributing to Conservapedia, he still needed a home health care companion. I offered him after I retired to move in as a private pay companion. We shared the same devotion to Jesus Christ. I got interested in his project of harmonizing the New Testament and asked if I could contribute a narrative version of it, since I had worked with the state commission for the blind. He was enthusiastic. I got permission to use his computer and signed on as IndependentSkeptic. After finishing the Gospel portion of the audio version I intend to quit--[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 15:07, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
=== Please stop having debates on talk pages. Conservapedia has debate pages ===
=== Please stop having debates on talk pages. Conservapedia has debate pages ===
Conservapedia has debate pages. For example, here is a debate page: [[Debate:Are alcohol, marijuana, and nicotine gateway drugs?]].
Conservapedia has debate pages. For example, here is a debate page: [[Debate:Are alcohol, marijuana, and nicotine gateway drugs?]].
What I see now is a whole bunch of repetitive and poorly organized material on talk pages dealing with Catholic vs. Protestant issues that is not bringing web traffic. This needs to stop. I stopped reading this repetive material and I am others have as well.
What I see now is a whole bunch of repetitive and poorly organized material on talk pages dealing with Catholic vs. Protestant issues that is not bringing web traffic. This needs to stop. I stopped reading this repetitive material and I am sure others have as well.
If you are going to have debates, for the sake of Conservapedia readers, have them on debate pages. Nobody wants to read poorly organized and repetitive material.
If you are going to have debates, for the sake of Conservapedia readers, have them on debate pages. Nobody wants to read poorly organized and repetitive material.
Hi IndependentSkeptic, I'm just curious, how's Dataclarifier doing? Is his eyesight improving? Is his mother also doing okay? I've been sending prayers every day, I hope all is well, and God Bless! —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]<sup>'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]'''''</sup> 17:50, 18 July 2020 (EDT)
Hi IndependentSkeptic, I'm just curious, how's Dataclarifier doing? Is his eyesight improving? Is his mother also doing okay? I've been sending prayers every day, I hope all is well, and God Bless! —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]<sup>'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]'''''</sup> 17:50, 18 July 2020 (EDT)
:Thanks from all three of us. No physical improvements. But your encouragement has lifted our spirits. We are reasonably well and generally at peace with both God and man. And we pray for you, and for the conversion of RobSmith and all like him.
:Thanks from all three of us. No physical improvements. But your encouragement has lifted our spirits. We are reasonably well and generally at peace with both God and man. And we pray for you, and for the conversion of all.
:I last posted on your talk page a proposal for a debate page that I'm going to set up as a non-denominational forum on discussion of the sola scriptura basis for the authority of the Catholic Church to preach and teach the truth of God forever. It will include the key texts we posted on your talk page. Neither RobSmith nor Conservative seemed willing to accept it. Probably because the sola scriptura answer is already a foregone conclusion they don't want to admit, because of confirmation bias. The actual responses on the debate page after it's set up should be really interesting. It may even help augment your priestly training in apologetics and sharpen your already penetrating insight into erroneous [[specious reasoning]], [[intellectual dishonesty]], [[falsehood]], [[sophistry]], [[casuistry]], and the [[fallacy of invincible ignorance]] compared to actual [[invincible ignorance]]. (reading suggestions from Dataclarifier).
:I last posted on your talk page a proposal for a debate page that I'm going to set up as a non-denominational forum on discussion of the sola scriptura basis for the authority of the Catholic Church to preach and teach the truth of God forever. It will include the key texts we posted on your talk page. The sola scriptura answer is already a foregone conclusion some won't want to admit, because of confirmation bias. The actual responses on the debate page after it's set up should be really interesting. It may even help augment your priestly training in apologetics and sharpen your already penetrating insight into erroneous [[specious reasoning]], [[intellectual dishonesty]], [[falsehood]], [[sophistry]], [[casuistry]], and the [[fallacy of invincible ignorance]] compared to actual [[invincible ignorance]]. (reading suggestions from Dataclarifier).
:After that, I won't be participating actively any more. The only way I found out about your message here is after I logged on to set up the debate page, and then the banner head immediately appeared "You have 2 messages". So I came here first to see what they were. As I previously indicated I'll frequently look in on you. Thanks for your previous ID subtext. We really appreciate the new one! God be praised!
:After that, I won't be participating actively any more. The only way I found out about your message here is after I logged on to set up the debate page, and then the banner head immediately appeared "You have 2 messages". So I came here first to see what they were. As I previously indicated I'll frequently look in on you. Thanks for your previous ID subtext. We really appreciate the new one! God be praised!
:Peace be with you. <br>Dataclarifier says, ''Pax vobis—SemperFidelis''. <br>All glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit. Amen. May our Blessed Virgin Mother Mary Queen of saints and angels have compassion on you, intercede for you and guide you. Amen. Never was it known that any one who fled to her protection, sought her help and asked her intercession was ever left unaided. Holy Michael the Archangel, defend us in the battle. Be our protection and defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray. And '''do''' thou, O prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, cast into hell Satan and all of the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen. Angels of God, our guardians dear, to whom God's love commits us here, ever each day be at our side to light and to guard, to rule and to guide. Amen. And thou also, O blessed Saint Paul, intercede for us this day, that we may serve God faithfully as thou hast done, and upon our deaths enter heaven with thee to praise Him for ever and ever. Amen. O Sacred Heart of Jesus, take our poor hearts and make them like Thine Own. Amen. O our Lord Jesus Christ, Thou Son of God, have mercy on us, poor sinners. O our Lord Jesus Christ, Thou Son of God, have mercy on us, poor sinners. Eternal Father, we offer You the Body and the Blood, Soul and Divinity, of Your Dearly Beloved Son, Our Lord Jesus Christ, in atonement for our sins and the sins of the whole world. Amen. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 00:52, 19 July 2020 (EDT)
:Peace be with you. <br>Dataclarifier says, ''Pax vobis—SemperFidelis''. <br>All glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit. Amen. May our Blessed Virgin Mother Mary Queen of saints and angels have compassion on you, intercede for you and guide you. Amen. Never was it known that any one who fled to her protection, sought her help and asked her intercession was ever left unaided. Holy Michael the Archangel, defend us in the battle. Be our protection and defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray. And '''do''' thou, O prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, cast into hell Satan and all of the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen. Angels of God, our guardians dear, to whom God's love commits us here, ever each day be at our side to light and to guard, to rule and to guide. Amen. And thou also, O blessed Saint Paul, intercede for us this day, that we may serve God faithfully as thou hast done, and upon our deaths enter heaven with thee to praise Him for ever and ever. Amen. O Sacred Heart of Jesus, take our poor hearts and make them like Thine Own. Amen. O our Lord Jesus Christ, Thou Son of God, have mercy on us, poor sinners. O our Lord Jesus Christ, Thou Son of God, have mercy on us, poor sinners. Eternal Father, we offer You the Body and the Blood, Soul and Divinity, of Your Dearly Beloved Son, Our Lord Jesus Christ, in atonement for our sins and the sins of the whole world. Amen. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 00:52, 19 July 2020 (EDT)
:::I just finished the Debate page: <br> [[Debate:Does the Catholic Church have the biblical authority of Christ Himself to preach and to teach the truth forever?]] <br> --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 02:46, 19 July 2020 (EDT)
:::I just finished the Debate page: <br> [[Debate:Does the Catholic Church have the biblical authority of Christ Himself to preach and to teach the truth forever?]] <br> --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 02:46, 19 July 2020 (EDT)
== Debate pages ==
== Debate pages ==
You created the [[Debate:Does the Catholic Church have the biblical authority of Christ Himself to preach and to teach the truth forever?]] page for debate.
You created the [[Debate:Does the Catholic Church have the biblical authority of Christ Himself to preach and to teach the truth forever?]] page for debate.
The debates should not happen on the talk page. People read talk pages far less. So I removed that format. You can see for yourself how I improved the format for your debate page. If you look at other debate pages at Conservapedia, you will see the same or similar formats. Please don't use the talk page format anymore.
The debates should not happen on the talk page. People read talk pages far less. So I removed that format. You can see for yourself how I improved the format for your debate page. If you look at other debate pages at Conservapedia, you will see the same or similar formats.
I contributed to your debate page.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 04:55, 19 July 2020 (EDT)
I contributed to your debate page.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 04:55, 19 July 2020 (EDT)
=== Please keep the Catholic/Protestant issues on debate pages and encyclopedia articles ===
=== Please keep the Catholic/Protestant issues on debate pages and encyclopedia articles ===
Please have encyclopedia articles dealing with Protestant/Catholic/Eastern Orthodox issues be as objective as possible. And please have their talk pages be as constructive as possible. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:38, 25 July 2020 (EDT)
:I've done all that I could, given my circumstances of being a private pay health-care companion helper to Dataclarifier. "''Thanks for the memories''". With this post I hereby quit Conservapedia. God be with you and all who love our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 23:19, 2 August 2020 (EDT)