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Debate: Does the Magisterium have authority over the Bible, or does the Bible have authority over the Magisterium? (view source)
Revision as of 07:40, August 7, 2020
, 07:40, August 7, 2020→Refutation: 1 Peter 1:13 and 2 Peter 1:20 do not support Roman Catholic Magisterium
:And the prophecy we are speaking of is, Who is the Rock in Matthew 16:18, Christ or Peter? Christ was promised by prophecy in scripture, Peter was not.
:And the prophecy we are speaking of is, Who is the Rock in Matthew 16:18, Christ or Peter? Christ was promised by prophecy in scripture, Peter was not.
:It should be noted, the defense of Roman Catholic interpretation of Matthew 16:18, ''Thou art Peter...'', using 1 Peter 1:20 ''no scripture is of private interpretation'', is the same author who in the next breath encourages private interpretation: "If a person believes A", or "If a person believes B" to arrive at the same conclusion. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 15:14, 3 August 2020 (EDT)
:It should be noted, the defense of Roman Catholic interpretation of Matthew 16:18, ''Thou art Peter...'', using 1 Peter 1:20 ''no scripture is of private interpretation'', is the same author who in the next breath encourages private interpretation: "If a person believes A", or "If a person believes B" to arrive at the same conclusion. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 15:14, 3 August 2020 (EDT)
::Answer: It is totally irrelevant exactly ''when'' there actually was a visible separation of civil authority from religious authority in history and ''when'' there actually was a visibly coordinated cooperation of civil authority obediently submitted to orthodox catholic Christian religious authority in history. The Church has always had the religious authority ordained and established by God (for there is no authority except from God) and whoever resists the authority resists what God has ordained, and those who resist shall incur judgment ("damnation" KJV), ''because''''':''' Jesus Himself said on this '''rock''' I will build my '''church''', and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it, the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth, through which the mystery of God hidden from the foundation of the world is revealed, the '''one''' body of Christ (not many), the church of the living God which he purchased with His own blood, the temple of God in the Spirit, with us forever, leading into all the truth, obeying the command to be obedient to the leaders who watch over our souls, the church in which God appointed the elders as guardians to take heed to themselves and to feed the flock of the Lord, and keep the traditions delivered to them whether by word of mouth or by letter (whether oral or written), who have the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever they bind on earth shall be bound in heaven and whatever they loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven, but those that went out were antichrists who despised authority and separated themselves and set up divisions, worldly persons devoid of the Spirit, antichrists who went out and taught another gospel and another Christ that it might be made manifest that they were not of us.
::Every Bible-believing Christian who has read the Bible and is familiar with its text recognizes these passages immediately. The Bible itself commands us to obey the leaders who watch over our souls (Heb. 13:17), to submit to every institution of men for the Lord's sake and to submit to the elders (1 Peter 2:13-17; 5:5-6), because their established authority in the church is ordained and established by God (Rom. 13:1-2). This is not private interpretation. If the authority is of God, we are commanded to submit and obey. If the authority is of men, we are commanded to submit and obey. In either case, we are commanded to submit and obey. It's what the Bible says, clearly, plainly and simply, according to the Word of the Lord.<br>--[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 03:40, 7 August 2020 (EDT)
==Scripture has authority over the Roman church==
==Scripture has authority over the Roman church==