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You never mentioned the numbers of criminals and gangbangers with Protestant Bible-believing backgrounds in prison '''who relied on being saved by faith alone''', who were told that there is therefore now no condemnation for all eternity for any sin they might commit, past, present, and future, "because they were in Christ and freed from the law of sin and death", and gave testimony and were baptized, and later '''rebelled against their parents, the Bible, and forgot what they had been taught by their pastors in their churches''', and now in prison have come back to the Bible. "But they were saved!" (Once). And they're from all races, Hispanic, White, Black, Brown, Red. '''Protestants! Fundamentalists!''' (Once upon a time). I know about all this, because I was Disciples of Christ, and Dataclarifier was a fundamental Baptist. And we both "got away with sin" for too long, until we read more of the Bible and saw that we couldn't rely for our eternal salvation on the fact once and for all that we had professed Jesus Christ as our own personal Savior. Both of us have committed jailable offenses worthy of long terms in prison that no one else knows about. (Difference is, we got away with it, but '''no more'''.) That's no different than what you said about those Hispanic Roman Catholics baptized as babies. Other prisoners guilty of horrible acts have been once saved, and did what they did '''anyway!''' Look at the news about so many privileged white kids growing up in Bible-believing homes and churches in their youth who threw it all off to commit in secret monstrous crimes of passion and corruption, but got caught later and brought shame to their families, and grief to the innocents they preyed on, and their families. So much for [[Eternal security (salvation)]]. Your blaming Catholicism and Infant Baptism for their gang raping activities is a crock. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 14:24, 4 September 2020 (EDT)

You never mentioned the numbers of criminals and gangbangers with Protestant Bible-believing backgrounds in prison '''who relied on being saved by faith alone''', who were told that there is therefore now no condemnation for all eternity for any sin they might commit, past, present, and future, "because they were in Christ and freed from the law of sin and death", and gave testimony and were baptized, and later '''rebelled against their parents, the Bible, and forgot what they had been taught by their pastors in their churches''', and now in prison have come back to the Bible. "But they were saved!" (Once). And they're from all races, Hispanic, White, Black, Brown, Red. '''Protestants! Fundamentalists!''' (Once upon a time). I know about all this, because I was Disciples of Christ, and Dataclarifier was a fundamental Baptist. And we both "got away with sin" for too long, until we read more of the Bible and saw that we couldn't rely for our eternal salvation on the fact once and for all that we had professed Jesus Christ as our own personal Savior. Both of us have committed jailable offenses worthy of long terms in prison that no one else knows about. (Difference is, we got away with it, but '''no more'''.) That's no different than what you said about those Hispanic Roman Catholics baptized as babies. Other prisoners guilty of horrible acts have been once saved, and did what they did '''anyway!''' Look at the news about so many privileged white kids growing up in Bible-believing homes and churches in their youth who threw it all off to commit in secret monstrous crimes of passion and corruption, but got caught later and brought shame to their families, and grief to the innocents they preyed on, and their families. So much for [[Eternal security (salvation)]]. Your blaming Catholicism and Infant Baptism for their gang raping activities is a crock. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 14:24, 4 September 2020 (EDT)

:::(ec) I was not taught the Bible in 8 years of religion classes - I was taught catechism. And so were they in jail. As young people, me and the prisoners in the ministry felt no need to ''hunger and thirst after righteousness'', since catechism taught us we were already adopted into God's family, and only had to follow church law to maintain it.  None of this is biblical.  

:::(ec) I was not taught the Bible in 8 years of religion classes - I was taught catechism. And so were they in jail. As young people, me and the prisoners in the ministry felt no need to ''hunger and thirst after righteousness'', since catechism taught us we were already adopted into God's family, and only had to follow church law to maintain it.  None of this is biblical.