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| | ::: Personally, I have no objection to either - but if we're going to have a retranslation as Aschlafly originally proposed I think it's intellectually sterile to re-translate a translation, taking all but one or two assumptions of the translators for granted. If we wanted to do that, I think that he would have suggested a commentary or gloss. [[User:DeniseM|DeniseM]] 10:55, 29 December 2008 (EST) | | ::: Personally, I have no objection to either - but if we're going to have a retranslation as Aschlafly originally proposed I think it's intellectually sterile to re-translate a translation, taking all but one or two assumptions of the translators for granted. If we wanted to do that, I think that he would have suggested a commentary or gloss. [[User:DeniseM|DeniseM]] 10:55, 29 December 2008 (EST) |
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| | + | ::::You know, after progressing a bit into Esther, I've actually found that it's a bit harder than it seems. This is the most devastating and deepest underlying problem of translating the book of Esther: it is going to require much knowledge of Persian custom and sometimes even Persian loanwords, as is the case with the stones early on in 1:6 (the names of the stones might be Persian loanwords, not necessarily Hebrew words by nature). Thus, I think Esther is not a good book to be translating because of all the back-knowledge that is required to construct the whole story. If you want to keep going, go on; I just think there are some easier books out there. Like Jonah, or Ruth. Despite the fact that Jonah is a prophetic book, it is (1) shorter than Esther and (2) easier to translate directly from the Hebrew. (Plus (3) it has a bunch of imagery that is really cool if you get into it.) Also, the book of Ruth is easier because, (1) again, it is shorter and (2) the backstory of Ruth requires knowledge of Hebrew custom, which we have much more of than Persian custom. Thus, my defense of the translation of Jonah or Ruth as a small Old Testament book. Even one of the other small prophets from the Book of the Twelve could be easier to translate than Esther. (Except Hosea. Hosea is a COMPLETELY different can of worms.)[[User:Cbauserman|Cbauserman]] 23:16, 12 May 2012 (EDT) |
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| | Thoughts? I realise that it adds a potential layer of complexity, and detracts from the flow of the text, but I feel it's a nice compromise between ease of understanding and scriptural subtlety - it's a good way of drawing attention to what Paul calls 'the most special way'. [[User:AungSein|AungSein]] 08:58, 22 November 2009 (EST) | | Thoughts? I realise that it adds a potential layer of complexity, and detracts from the flow of the text, but I feel it's a nice compromise between ease of understanding and scriptural subtlety - it's a good way of drawing attention to what Paul calls 'the most special way'. [[User:AungSein|AungSein]] 08:58, 22 November 2009 (EST) |
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| − | "Is "his throne" OK for kise malkhuto?"
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| − | I apologize for saying so, but I think it's still a miss. It disregards "malkut"; it would say "kiso" if it were meant to be translated as strictly "his throne". I still think it would be better to maintain it as "his royal throne" or "the throne of his kingdom".
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| − | HALOT notes some of the instances of all construct chains where kise is the head noun and any word with the root Mem-Lamedh-Kaf is the tail. (I believe listing all the instances would be a bit exhausting, but...)
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| − | Every time the construct chain "kise" + "(root Mem-Lamedh-Kaf)" is used, it is translated (in most well-known translations) either "the/his royal throne" or "throne of the/his kingdom". ("the/his" depending on whether you have a third person masculine singular suffix). Thus I think the "royal" aspect of the word "malkut" should not be abandoned for an air of implied regality in the simple phrasing "his throne."
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| − | :I apologize for not asking permission before joining this project. I am a BA Biblical Languages & Christianity major from an accredited Baptist university; thus, I think I have the necessary qualifications to work on this project. If that is not enough, I am currently proceeding into my Masters work on Biblical Languages...[[User:Cbauserman|Cbauserman]] 02:20, 12 May 2012 (EDT)
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| − | :Cbauserman, no request for permission to participate is necessary. Your comments and suggestions are most welcome. You might be even more interested in the [[Conservative Bible Project]] here.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:04, 12 May 2012 (EDT)
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