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::::::::So, it's not censorship, but merely "not exposing the kids to Heather's two mommies"? How on earth is refusing to even present an idea <b>not</b> censorship? If conservative positions are really better, shouldn't it be obvious, and thus not require censorship to "protect" people from ideas? It truly does appear that the Irony Meter has asploded.[[User:JHC|JHC]] 20:20, 19 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::::So, it's not censorship, but merely "not exposing the kids to Heather's two mommies"? How on earth is refusing to even present an idea <b>not</b> censorship? If conservative positions are really better, shouldn't it be obvious, and thus not require censorship to "protect" people from ideas? It truly does appear that the Irony Meter has asploded.[[User:JHC|JHC]] 20:20, 19 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::It's whether or not we want the kids exposed to what amounts to the difference between a good idea and a bad idea. I think kids should be exposed to good ideas only, not bad ones, or bad ones disguised as good ones. For example, it's not a good idea that you, KrisTree, should come back after a block to create a new sock - JHC - just to rant about what you think is censorship here. Bad idea. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 20:28, 19 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::It's whether or not we want the kids exposed to what amounts to the difference between a good idea and a bad idea. I think kids should be exposed to good ideas only, not bad ones, or bad ones disguised as good ones. For example, it's not a good idea that you, KrisTree, should come back after a block to create a new sock - JHC - just to rant about what you think is censorship here. Bad idea. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 20:28, 19 March 2009 (EDT)
== Internal Contradiction ==
I'm honestly not 'trolling' or trying to insult anything or anyone here... I want to be respectful. But isn't it a contradiction to say that censorship is a liberal trait, when this website itself censors edits and talk pages? Please don't misunderstand, I'm not trying to cause offence, just wondering. -- Dollfuss.
:Perhaps the topics of "political censorship" or "religious censorship" should be separated from censorship in general. [[User:Dhdidnac|Dhdidnac]] 10:34, 12 January 2014 (EST)
== examples of censorship ==
I know this is a conservative encyclopedia, but the lack of neutral examples in the intro makes it sound silly. Like the example "Censorship can also take the form of ostracizing students for expressing pro-life or other conservative views". That example SHOULD be broadened to "Censorship can also take the form of ostracizing students for expressing ideas that conflict with their professor's ideology" because that is more the issue. Yes, it happens to people who express conservative views, but there are also professors who have conservative viewpoints and ostracize liberal ones. I am not going to get into a fight over this, but i do suggest changing back to my previous edit. thanks :) --[[User:AlexanderSz|AlexanderSz]] 15:50, 4 December 2011 (EST)
:Can you give an example of conservative professors censoring liberal students? Conservatism is all about [[open mind]]edness. [[User:NickP|NickP]] 16:04, 4 December 2011 (EST)
:: My highschool band teacher wouldnt let us include a John Lennon song in our Christmas song medley because it "Promoted communism". The song actually about peace and never mentions collectivism or economy or politics (beyond being pro peace). My seventh grade History Teacher blatantly pushed pro life and pro War in Iraq ideas into 7th graders while silencing anti war arguments (granted the arguments sucked because the kids were 12 but that makes his overt political agenda all the more inappropriate). This compared to my 10th grade history teacher who, while being a moderate liberal, always played devils advocate (i only learned of his political views through a conversation i had with him during non school hours). in college i have not noticed anything substantial. Like I Said, I have no desire to make this into a war but I think that making the examples more universal/more accurate would benefit the quality of this website--[[User:AlexanderSz|AlexanderSz]] 16:20, 4 December 2011 (EST)
:::If no one responds I will take it as a yes. --[[User:AlexanderSz|AlexanderSz]] 19:28, 5 December 2011 (EST)
::::An individual specific case is not evidence. There is widespread, public evidence of liberalism being forced on students. [[User:NickP|NickP]] 19:36, 5 December 2011 (EST)
::::::Even still, I don't think it is necessarily fair to only include liberal examples of censorship, without showing libertarian or conservative examples. I mean, only liberals censor people? In all of Earth? Do not take this the wrong way, obviously, liberals are censorship fanatics, but this seems like an agenda push. [[User:The99Percent|The99Percent]] ([[User talk:The99Percent|talk]]) 19:03, 20 May 2021 (EDT)
:::::::Isn't that what censorship is, pushing an agenda? So if people were to censor criticism of censorship, are they pushing an agenda? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 19:20, 20 May 2021 (EDT)
:::::::::That's not what I said. I am only saying that there are conservatives censoring liberals, and liberals censoring conservatives. We should at least mention that, then give our counterarguments to it. I'm not saying we should libwash the page, just mention the counterargument, conservative censorship, and rebut it. That's it. [[User:The99Percent|The99Percent]] ([[User talk:The99Percent|talk]]) 19:38, 20 May 2021 (EDT)
::::::::::hmm, well if conservatives controlled any mainstream media apparatus you might have an argument there. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:31, 20 May 2021 (EDT)
::::::::::::Well, they do: The Philippines. The MSM there is largely conservative, and the social media apps there regulary target liberals for blocking. Your rebuttal? [[User:The99Percent|The99Percent]] ([[User talk:The99Percent|talk]]) 20:41, 20 May 2021 (EDT)
==Communist v. Russian==
The recent edit war totally misses the context; CNN and MSNBC for example, is not "Russian disinformation'. CNN and MSNBC spread communist misinformation about Russia. 14:52, April 7, 2022 (EDT)
:Please explain the reason for your reverts in future, before making bogus edit warring claims. The other items were reasonable surely? Calling liberal media "communist" is on par with calling conservatives fascists. Russia was totalItalian and remains so, that is why Putin and Xi Jinping are more important than Trump or Biden!
== Criticism of atheism ==
This statement "Wikipedia has no articles about the ills of atheism", isn't exactly true, as there is the article [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_atheism "Criticism of atheism"]. --[[User:Jackin the box|Jackin the box]] ([[User talk:Jackin the box|talk]]) 11:04, May 2, 2022 (EDT)