Talk:Ireland

I did a very quick clean up of this, no references as of yet, I'll hopefully add them in the next few days. It's worth noting though

-Scotland was never conquered by the romans

Scotland was occupied for about a century up to the Forth-Clyde line, fortified as the Antonine Wall; earlier, the battle of Mons Graupius (as described by Tacitus) certainly sounds like a decisive vanquishing of the Caledonians, even if the whole of (whate later was to be) Scotland was not occupied. Pachyderm 16:59, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

-Ireland may call it the war of indepencence, but it's probably best described as a time of civil strife or something like that. There was no war as such. -the Treaty in '21 set up a free state, a republic wasn't declared till the 40s -Ireland still isn't called the Republic of Ireland. It's there, in the constitution that the name of the state is Ireland, or Eire in the Irish language. lil_cain 03.55, 10 March 2007 (GMT)

Ireland

Ok guys a few things. One england invaded in the 11th century (not the 17th). The war of independence was not a proper war but did lead England to pull out of the 26 counties keeping the 6 counties of ulster under british control which lead to the CIVIL WAR. Ireland is now the richest country in Europe and has the 4th strongest economy in the world. It's cheaper to buy an appartment in Manhatten than in Dublin .. it's a funny old world.

adest

I edited out the bit about the support bases for the various parties, as they were a: unreferenced, and b:simply wrong. If I get a chance I'll go back and add something correct with references and such, but better to leave it out until then.

04:06, March 19, 2007

Just wondering the reason for the revert? All the info reverted was true and non-controversial, apart perhaps for the country name. --Boreas 08:00, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

Better map needed

This entry could use a much better map -- the current one is quite small, and among other issues, does not show Belfast!

Boethius 13:35, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

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The War of Independence might not have been a large pitched-battle affair between two standing armies like the American version, but it was a concerted campaign of guerilla warfare, espionage and assassination carried out by the highly organised, popularly-supported IRA. (as distinct from the provisional Northern version). a time of civil strife doesn't cut it! stallthedigger 13:02, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

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The recent edits on the history section are not even remotely historical. They aren't referenced either, so I'm removing them. Melanchthon 23:18, 29 March 2007, (GMT)

Agreed, go for it. Jennisuk 18:21, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

Why the revert?

What is the matter with you, TK? Why did you revert my edit? It is nonsensical to say that Ireland the island is referred to as 'the Republic of Ireland', then a few sentences later state that the island is divided between the Republic and Northern Ireland. User:Eternalpraise

• Please post in order, Eternal, ok? That means adding comments at the bottom. I reverted it, because the inital notation would be ok, if you edited the latter parts. Fair enough? --~ TK ^MyTalk 08:57, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

No, because the initial statement is incorrect. Do you expect me to edit the article to make it agree with a nonsensical assertion? The island of Ireland and the Republic of Ireland are not synonymous.

• What am I missing ? Isn't that its proper title? Does it not share an island with Northern Ireland, a part of the UK? Am I stumbling over some cultural issue here? --~ TK ^MyTalk 09:31, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

Ireland is an island off the west coast of Great Britain. It consists of the country of Ireland (commonly referred to as 'the Republic of Ireland') and Northern Ireland (which is part of the UK). Eternalpraise is right, you are wrong. The island of Ireland is not referred to as the Republic of Ireland. Chrysogonus 15:34, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

• Ah ha! A good sleep, and what Eternalpraise was saying is clear re-stated as you did, Chrusogonus! Thank you. --~ TK ^MyTalk 15:45, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

Re "OK guys a few things": (1) The so-called English Invasion was in 1169 - that makes it 12th century, not 11th. (2)It was hardly English. As the Anglo-Celtic historian, Norman Davies, puts it: "For one thing the people who launched it were not English and not even acting on behalf of England. For another, the operation ended in what may be best rated a half conquest."

The expedition was the brainchild of a dispossessed Norman baron from Wales and an exiled Irish chief. They were joined by sundry knights and hangers-on who probably only knew enough English to order the servants around. (Check out the names: fitzStephen, fitzGerald. Norman names that are now as Irish as Patrick(who was British)). The adventure was given tacit assent by Henry (who was in Aquitaine at the time) and some sort of after-the-act legitimacy was given by the English-born Pope Adrian IV; but in no way was it an "English Invasion". A group of bored knights and nobility after a bit of pillage and what-have-you followed a pair of Irishmen with bees in their bonnets. User:AlanE 19:55, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

Party names in translation

I had always believed Fine Gael translated as 'Clan of the Gael' and Sinn Fein as 'Ourselves Alone'. I haven't edited as I'm more than prepared to learn that these aren't as pukka as the terms used.