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→African Delegation urges Putin to start Peace Talks with Ukraine
O ye of little faith, read this first: "But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. That person should not expect to receive anything from the Lord." (James 1:6-8). [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 17:59, June 19, 2023 (EDT)
O ye of little faith, read this first: "But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. That person should not expect to receive anything from the Lord." (James 1:6-8). [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 17:59, June 19, 2023 (EDT)
{{Anchor|US in violation of Budapest Memorandum}}
And, NATO is not warring against anyone. Complete Non Sequitur. The US and UK are keeping up their Contractual Obligations under the Budapest Memorandum to Protect Ukraine in the event of a Russian Invasion. The other NATO countries also have that obligation, because a prospective NATO member also deserves certain security assurances and guarantees, like for e.g. Finland had before its accession. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 18:01, June 19, 2023 (EDT)
And, NATO is not warring against anyone. Complete Non Sequitur. The US and UK are keeping up their Contractual Obligations under the Budapest Memorandum to Protect Ukraine in the event of a Russian Invasion. The other NATO countries also have that obligation, because a prospective NATO member also deserves certain security assurances and guarantees, like for e.g. Finland had before its accession. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 18:01, June 19, 2023 (EDT)
::We've discussed the Budapest memorandum before. If there were any truth to the claim, "The US and UK are keeping up their Contractual Obligations under the Budapest Memorandum to Protect Ukraine", why didn't the US and UK defend Ukraine's territorial integrity with US and UK troops in 2014 at the time of the [[Crimean Annexation]], instead of waiting 8 years while their Kyiv puppet regime murdered 14,000 Russian speaking citizens of Ukraine with the US-supplied weapons and training? And they are not keeping their "contractual obligations" now; where are the US and UK troops on the ground they promised in 1994? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:02, June 19, 2023 (EDT)
::We've discussed the Budapest memorandum before. If there were any truth to the claim, "The US and UK are keeping up their Contractual Obligations under the Budapest Memorandum to Protect Ukraine", why didn't the US and UK defend Ukraine's territorial integrity with US and UK troops in 2014 at the time of the [[Crimean Annexation]], instead of waiting 8 years while their Kyiv puppet regime murdered 14,000 Russian speaking citizens of Ukraine with the US-supplied weapons and training? And they are not keeping their "contractual obligations" now; where are the US and UK troops on the ground they promised in 1994? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:02, June 19, 2023 (EDT)
:I just don't share your love of [[neo-Nazi]] killers and warmongers, and hope you repent. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 03:54, June 21, 2023 (EDT)
:I just don't share your love of [[neo-Nazi]] killers and warmongers, and hope you repent. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 03:54, June 21, 2023 (EDT)
=== Prez. Zelensky responds to Russia's Chaos with Putin and Prighozin ===
"Today, the world saw that the bosses of Russia do not control anything. Nothing at all. Complete chaos. Complete absence of any predictability.
First, the world should not be afraid. We know what protects us. Our unity.
Ukraine will definitely be able to protect Europe from any Russian forces, and it doesn't matter who commands them. We will protect. The security of Europe's eastern flank depends only on our defense.
Ukrainian soldiers, Ukrainian guns, Ukrainian tanks, Ukrainian missiles are all that protect Europe from such marches as we see today on Russian territory. And when we ask to give us the F-16 fighters or the ATACMS, we're enhancing our common defense. Real defense.
Second, everything must be real. It's time for everyone in the world to frankly say that all of Russia's criminal actions against Ukraine were and are unprovoked. And we all have to focus exclusively on our common security priorities. NATO is not just a word or a set of formal promises. These are reliable guarantees for everyone that peace won't be destroyed. Without Ukraine, such guarantees are worthless. Already in July at the summit in Vilnius, it is a historic chance for real decisions without looking back at Russia. Any nation that borders Russia supports this.
What will we, Ukrainians, do?
We will defend our country. We will defend our freedom. We will not be silent and we will not be inactive. We know how to win – and it will happen. Our victory in this war.
And what will you, Russians, do?
The longer your troops stay on Ukrainian land, the more devastation they will bring to Russia. The longer this person is in the Kremlin, the more disasters there will be." https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1672662657881571332 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:00, June 24, 2023 (EDT)
Defense Minister of Ukraine Oleksii Reznikov: "Brilliant example of @RobertaMetsola @EP_President combating hypocrisy and “appeasement” with honesty and truth. Dear Madam President, thank you for your commitment to and support of Ukraine and of democracy.
We believe in the EU. We value your trust in us and in our fight for freedom. We will win together.
🇺🇦🤝🇪🇺" https://twitter.com/oleksiireznikov/status/1670894459616149504 [Video in the link] [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:05, June 24, 2023 (EDT)
=== Former U.S. Green Beret whou fought in Iraq, Afghanistan and Ukraine. Ukraine is this Generation's "Most Righteous War" ===
"A Former U.S. Green Beret Fought In Iraq, Afghanistan, And Ukraine. He Says Ukraine Is His Generation's 'Most Righteous War.'
David Bramlette is a former U.S. Army Ranger and Green Beret who commanded a team in Ukraine's Foreign Legion for 10 months last year. He currently works for the Romulus T. Weatherman Foundation, an NGO that leads operations in Ukraine to identify, recover, and repatriate Americans killed in action.
In an interview from Kyiv recently with RFE/RL Georgian Service's Vazha Tavberidze, Bramlette said the Russian invasion of Ukraine is a classic case of "good versus evil," gives high marks to the Ukrainian military but isn't impressed with their Russian counterparts, and chides the West for overrating Russian forces. Bramlette also likes the chances of the Ukrainian military as it is now beginning a long-anticipated counteroffensive, explaining that Ukraine's fighting capabilities are on an upward trajectory while Russia's military is heading in the opposite direction.
RFE/RL: As an Army Ranger, you fought in Iraq and in Afghanistan. Apparently, that wasn't enough. You came back to fight more, to fight for Ukraine. Why do you think this war is your war?
David Bramlette: First off, I think this is probably the most righteous war that my generation will see. In my mind, this is good versus evil. I was sitting in grad school at Johns Hopkins [University] in my last semester, and we were talking about whether Russia would invade conventionally. And, I'll be honest, I didn't think they're going to do it. I didn't think they could be that dumb, honestly, and they did. I served in Ranger Regiment and Special Forces Group and, you know, 10th Special Forces Group and special forces more generally, our motto is De Oppreso Liber, which stands for: to free the oppressed." https://www.rferl.org/a/former-us-green-beret-iraq-afghanistan-ukraine-/32469454.html [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 19:05, June 24, 2023 (EDT)
:[https://www.bitchute.com/video/uVHrUndImfCJ/ SLOW-MO VERSION OF BRITISH MERCENARIES GETTING BLOWN AWAY BY A MINE IN ZAPOROZHYE]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 00:32, June 26, 2023 (EDT)
=== Ukraine Counter Offensive Updates ===
"KYIV (Reuters) - Ukraine's armed forces have halted a Russian offensive towards the cities of Kupiansk and Lyman in the east of the country, and are advancing in the south, a senior Ukrainian defence official said on Friday."
From: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2023-06-23/ukraine-says-it-advances-in-south-stops-russian-attack-in-east [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 05:25, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
:''Reuters'' again, huh? Halted the offensive with paintball guns again? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 05:47, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
:[https://www.bitchute.com/video/V5P3u3qBSoIA/ Speaking of Kupyansk, glad you brought this to our attention], aka 'waiting for the other shoe to drop'. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 16:29, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
:Military Summary channel: [https://youtu.be/wXuotpINeoM The Battle Of Kupyansk.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 21:23, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
=== Infographics Show: How Russia is Regressing back to the Soviet Era ===
Infograhics Show is an extremely informative You Tube Channel that makes nice videos
Watch this video: [https://youtu.be/s05X54Zg_Qo How Russia is Slipping Back Into the Soviet Era]. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 07:09, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
More problematic indications of the same:
"More than 1,000 people attended a ceremony on Red Square on Sunday to mark the 70th anniversary of Soviet dictator Josef Stalin's death.
Led by Russia's Communist Party, the event drew people waving Soviet flags or holding portraits of Stalin at the site on the Kremlin wall where he is buried.
Stalin's image has been gradually restored in Russia in recent decades despite the atrocities carried out under his rule — and his legacy looms over Russia's present-day offensive on Ukraine." https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/03/06/russian-communists-mark-70-year-anniversary-of-stalins-death-a80399
"A record 70 percent of Russians approve of Soviet leader Josef Stalin’s role in Russian history, according to a poll published by the independent Levada Center pollster on Tuesday.
Stalin’s image has been gradually rehabilitated in the 2000s from that of a bloody autocrat to an “outstanding leader.” President Vladimir Putin has revived the Soviet anthem, Soviet-style military parades and a Soviet-era medal for labor during his presidency."
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/04/16/stalins-approval-rating-among-russians-hits-record-high-poll-a65245
Putin's 20 odd years in absolute power in the Kremlin have been very bad for Russia on the whole. Russia needs a new leader. Prayers. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 07:23, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
::You are being redundant. You posted up the garbage about 70 percent from the CIA funded Moscow Times on this page before. We don't need it again. You basically insult people as if they are stupid by repeating the same crap over and over again - especially when it can be deemed as having [[xenophobic]] or [[Russophobic]] intent (which is to be expected from the CIA). Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 07:28, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
:Putin hasn't had 20 years of absolute power. First of all, he had to build the power that he has now by removing opposing media, taking out rivals, etc over time. Also, this recent mutiny shows that he still does not have absolute power. Putin's power isn't equivalent to the power that North Korea's leader has. Why doesn't Putin have as much internal power within his country as the leader of North Korea? Due to Russia being a culture that is both Eastern-Western (Eastern culture is more autocratic than Western culture), Russia has been influenced by the West so it is harder to establish a more absolutist type of power. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 07:32, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
::Well spoken. I see you've done some study. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 07:43, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
:::Thanks. Due to the East being more autocratic, I think it will take China's underlying weaknesses (graying and shrinking population, worsening economy, bad effects of Xi having too much power) to become worse before the Chinese Communist Party is thrown out of power. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 07:49, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
::(ec) There will be an Approval poll out within the next 30 days. From that we gage the percentage of hardliners who support [[Prigozhin]]'s anti-corruption campaign, and patriots who support Putin's moderate approach to Ukraine. Putin peaked at 83% some months ago, and his latest was 80% (with Biden polling 37% in the same timeframe). He won his last election with 63%, so obviously there is support from his political opposition for his [[foreign policy]].
::I would take issue with the claim of "removing opposing media" {as Zelensky has done). Reporting on the [[Wagner mutiny]] was not censored. In fact, unlike the United States and the supposed "democratic" West, Russians have access to CNN and all the Western BS media, as well. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 07:55, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
::The only "opposing media" removed is Soros/CIA funded media interfering in Russia's domestic internal affairs. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 07:57, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
::That's why the CIA-funded ''Moscow Times'' is headquartered in Belgium. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 07:59, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
:::Now, let's look at the ''Moscow Times'' <s>Russophobic hate speech</s> reporting for a minute: 1,000 people in city of 5 million is a smaller percentage than the percentage of seats held by the Communist party in the state Duma, or people who identify as affiliated with the Communist party in opinion polls. That's quite a stretch to create a news article for the purpose of slandering Russia and Putin. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 08:04, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
:::Recall my rant about the amateurishness of the CIA: How come with a single click any idiot can see the ''Moscow Times'' comes from EU & NATO headquarters and not Moscow? Secondly, despite an 80% approval rating, how come Putin can only muster 1,000 communists to worship Stalin if Putin is indeed a communist? The CIA amateurs and idiots who write that stuff really do assume that you yourself are an idiot. And if you take it seriously, you really are. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup>
::::RobS, wrote above: "Russians have access to CNN and all the Western BS media".
::::First of all and this is a key point: "Only 10% of people can speak English in Russia."[https://higherlanguage.com/do-people-speak-english-in-russia/#:~:text=Russian%20is%20the%20official%20language,can%20speak%20English%20in%20Russia.]
::::Also, "In his campaign to control what ordinary Russians can learn about the war in Ukraine, Vladimir Putin has made a notable exception. He has blocked or restricted Facebook, Twitter, and most other Western-based social media sites, but one major platform — YouTube — remains available."[https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/3520997-why-russia-blocked-western-social-media-but-not-youtube/#:~:text=In%20his%20campaign%20to%20control,platform%20%E2%80%94%20YouTube%20%E2%80%94%20remains%20available.]
::::Furthermore:
:::::"After Moscow erected a digital barricade in March, blocking access to independent news sites and social media platforms to hide information about its unfolding invasion of Ukraine, many Russians looked for a workaround. One reliable route they found came from a small Swiss company based nearly 2,000 miles away.
:::::The company, Proton, provides free software that masks a person’s identity and location online. That gives a user in Russia access to the open web by making it appear that the person is logging in from the Netherlands, Japan or the United States. A couple of weeks after the internet blockade, about 850,000 people inside Russia used Proton each day, up from fewer than 25,000.
:::::That is, until the end of March, when the Russian government found a way to block Proton, too.
:::::Targeting Proton was the opening salvo of a continuing back-and-forth battle, pitting a team of about 25 engineers against a country embarking on one of the most aggressive censorship campaigns in recent memory."[https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/06/technology/russia-internet-proton-vpn.html]
::::So by Putin aggressively going after opposing media which speaks Russian within his country, it has a big effect. And then he further tightens things by having some restrictions on the internet as far as foreign influence. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:30, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
:::::Ahhh, [[Twitter Files]], CIA Vault 7, the [[Snowden revelations]] (not to mention the human rights violations and prosecution of [[Julian Assange]] and [[WikiLeaks]]) document Twitter and Facebook in bed with [[NSA]], FBI, CIA, and US [[intelligence community]] (not unlike US charges against TikTok and data mining). Heck, if I were president, I'd probably ban Twitter & Facebook in the US for election interference and destroying American democracy. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 08:38, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
::::::A side note: Because Russian cat videos are no doubt very popular in Russia, Putin found it too unpopular to block YouTube in Russia. I hope this clarifies things. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:40, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
:::::US global media is available in all kinds of languages. And no, the Russians are not that stupid that they can't translate CNN from whatever language it broadcasts in. RT is blocked in the US, RL/RFE is available in Russia.
:::::The simple fact is, Russia has more open access to global media than the US, EU, or China. (By global media, I am referring to global news sources, and not necessarily social media). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 08:45, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
::::::I just went to the Russia Today website https://www.rt.com/ yesterday. It is not blocked in the USA despite it being Russian state media. [https://sputnikglobe.com/ Sputnik news], another Russian state media outlet, is also not blocked in the USA. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:49, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
::::::::It's blocked on Youtube and Facebook. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 08:51, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
:::::IMO, the average Russian drunk high school drop out is more sophisticated at sorting through the BS and propaganda of global news media than the average Western college graduate. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 08:51, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
:::::In Russia, sorting through BS propaganda is in the genes after 70 years of Soviet communism and propaganda - something only now Americans are being subjected to and exposed daily 100 years after the creation of the Soviet Union. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 08:55, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
All governments with any degree of sophistication use [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTBWfkE7BXU manufactured consent] in order to maintain power (education system, government influencing media, governments influencing corporations and corporate influence via PR/lobbyists, etc.). It's just a matter of degree on how much manufacturing is done in order for the more elite of society to gain additional power. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:57, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
::::::(ec) As a student of history and historiography, the 70 year captivity of the USSR presents a unique problem: it is a giant blackhole for using the ordinary techniques historical researchers use. So the Russian educational system, beginning in the elementary grades, has to deal with this problem, knowing things like official Soviet encyclopedias and government documents are unreliable. For a historically-minded society, children must be taught skills to learn how to decipher truth, and facts, and history.
::::::The West doesn't even teach history. It teaches the Nazis are democratic freedom fighters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 09:07, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
:Let me relate an interesting story: [[Russia sanctions]] have banned Hollywood movies from Russian cinemas. So this has led to a rebirth of interest in Soviet films. When you go the cinema now, it's not just for entertainment. You are doing historical research on the Soviet film industry. Being aware of the Soviet Union's dark past, and the fact that these films were made the last time the West imposed sanctions for 50 years during the Cold War, leads to a whole new understanding of Russian and Soviet history, and art, and film making. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 09:25, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
There are many indications Russia, under Putin, is regressing back to the Communist or Soviet era, and I just posted some of them. Hero-worshipping Commie Thug Stalin is just one example that exemplifies that. The fact, however, that some Russians in the recent Prighozin incident, celebrated and shook hands with the Wagner mercenaries, and were in a celebratory mood, when he was challenging Putin, suggests many Russians - perhaps the relatives or friends of those Thug Putin has thrown in jail for criticizing his "Special Military Operation", or called it a War - are tired of the Putin regime and would be happy to see it go. Russia deserves a free and post-Putin future. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 14:41, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
:You just posted a bunch of US intelligence propaganda and crap - you know, the same guys who whacked [[JFK]], disrupted the Trump administration, overthrew Ukrainian democracy, and interfered in US elections and lied about it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 15:00, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
60 Minutes Australia: The Women standing up to Vladimir Putin: https://youtu.be/HzjLy-lAIxE [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 14:47, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
:NishantXavier, the people who cheered Prighozin were probably in favor of Russia's February 2022 invasion of Ukraine and were happy that Prighozin was often more effective than the Russian army. They also thought his complaints about pro-Russia soldiers not being adequately equipped was a justifiable complaint. In other words, I think you are projecting your thoughts/feelings onto most Russians. The majority of Russia appears to still be pro-Putin. Pro-Putin media, Russian government outreaches to the youth (education, youth groups, etc.), political rallies, etc. contribute to pro-Putin sentiments and Russian nationalism. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:01, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
::The [[Wagner mutiny]] is a case study. It's origins were more than a month ago. When it occurred, Prigozhin himself said it was protest against Shoigu & Gerasimov - the equivalents of [[Lloyd Austin]] and [[Mark Milley]], and not Putin himself. His "March for Justice" was not against Putin, but rather the corrupt Russian [[military industrial complex]]. Just go back now and examine the reporting from any and all news sources prior to Putin getting involved by making a nationwide speech. You should now be able to make a determination which news sources are either ignorant about Russia and Russia's domestic politics, or deliberately malicious toward Vladimir Putin and lying to you with propaganda. Any source that headlined words to the effect of "Coup against Putin" fits one of those two categories. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 15:11, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
It was February 2022 invasion, not 2020. Well, possibly, I suppose; but they were cheering on Prighozin at precisely the time when he was opposing Putin. Usually, you can't oppose Putin in any serious way in Russia, as that 60 Minutes Australia interview shows, without being jailed, or thrown out of windows, or poisoned, or something. I think we're yet to see what would happen if serious opponents to Putin had freedom to campaign for a better Post-Putin Russian Future. 15:13, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
:::Prigozhin was NOT opposing Putin! You are [[brainwashed]]! [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 15:19, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
::::Thanks. Fixed typo for date of invasion to February 2022. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:21, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
::(ec) At a deeper level, the mutiny also disproves the idea that Putin is an absolute dictator. Prigozhin thought (and still believes, along with a sizeable slice of Russian society) that corruption in the Russian government can be rooted out without removing Putin, i.e. that Putin is not the cause, and that Putin doesn't have the power to do it himself. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 15:17, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
Keep telling yourself that, bro. It must be pleasant to live in la-la-land. Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth, Prighozin said this about Putin and the corruption, deceit and hypocrisy of the Putin Administration.
'''"Wagner leader hits back at Putin
'''
Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin has responded to President Vladimir Putin’s “betrayal” comments, suggesting in fact that the mercenary group’s soldiers are Russian “patriots.”
“The president makes a deep mistake when he talks about treason,” Prigozhin said in an audio message.
Prigozhin also said that Wagner forces would not be “turning themselves in and confess at the order of the president, the FSB (security service) or anyone else. Because we don’t want the country to continue to live any longer in corruption, deceit and bureaucracy.”
Earlier on Saturday, Putin said Wagner fighters were traitors who must be punished." https://thewire.in/world/wagner-group-mutiny-russia-putin Prighozin negotiated hard and tough and got amnesty for himself and his men after criticizing Putin. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 15:29, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
Another Infographics Video: "Every battle fought, every road and building bombed, every bullet fired, every intercepted missile; every bit of ground a tank trudges over; this is all extremely costly. And for every person killed in action, there is a huge price to be paid, not just for their family but also for their country.
As we’ll show you many times in this video, working out the monetary cost of war is far from simple. It’s very hard to know exactly how many rockets are fired, how much hardware is destroyed, and what it costs a nation when you lose infrastructure and young men that should have been working in your economy. But today, we’ll try to put a price tag on this war, not just for the past and present, but the costs in the years to come. The ripple effects of this war will be felt for decades, especially in the poorest segments of both Russia and Ukraine.
We’re going to start with the cost of war for Russia and finish with some quite shocking data regarding what this war has cost and will cost Ukraine." https://youtu.be/spu_H27iQqs [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 15:33, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
:Bingo. Now you are displaying your lack of reading comprehension skills. Prigozhin did not initiate a coup against Putin; when Putin got involved and went on national TV, only THEN did Prigozhin start trash talking Putin (after months of publicly trash talking the military industrial complex) and immediately backed down and accepted a comprise offer. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 15:35, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
:Prigozhin believed he could initiate a popular uprising against Shoigu and Gerasimov, get them removed, and possibly get Putin to appoint himself as Defense Minister. This should give insight in the Russian political system and society. Anything that doesn't make this clear is BS propaganda (either uninformed, or malicious).
:The latest reports are Prigozhin was successful - that Shoigu and Gerasimov were indeed sacked. But we have to wait for confirmation, which may take months. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 15:38, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
::The Russian and American [[military industrial complex]]es have been at war with each other since the late 1940s. Both have become wasteful and corrupt. When the political situation changed in 1991, that war did not end. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 15:48, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
:::Other than drastically cutting back USA's funding to the Ukrainians as I believe that Europe should be the primary funder and provider of manpower because it is in their backyard, I cannot say that I am pro-Ukraine or pro-Russia because both countries are authoritarian and corrupt (But that is a moot point because much of Europe has lukewarm support for Ukraine compared to the USA). Also, I believe the Ukrainians are hopelessly outmatched when it comes to their vain attempts to gain back a substantial amount territory back because they are outmanned and face strongly defended Russian positions (Mines, barbed wire, defense in depth trenches, intersecting machine gun fire nests, fortified defensive command centers, a lot of heavy artillery, etc.). So prolonging the war, cost a lot of unnecessary bloodshed on both sides and adversely affected the world's food supplies as Ukraine has a lot of good farmland. In addition, the sanctions hurt the West and reduced Russian profit margins on natural gas so both sides were hurt. Furthermore, Ukraine was wrecked. A peace agreement should have been hammered out and finalized early in the war, but [https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/western-allies-led-uks-johnson-sabotaged-tentative-ukraine-russia-peace-deal it appears as if Boris Johnson helped nix this effort]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:42, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
::::Why is it you openly criticize Vladimir Putin but remain silent on the [[neo-Nazi]] [[Zelensky regime]]? [https://www.bitchute.com/video/8RvzVl1mU9gy/] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 21:28, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
:::With that being said, although the Infographics YouTube channel may say some correct things about Ukraine/Russia, it is a Ukraine cheerleading YouTube channel and is very biased. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:30, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
::::HAHA! "Russia is now cut off from the world economy which means the specter of food shortages now looms ahead."
::::OMG, how can you guys be so dumb? China, the world's largest economy, India, and the Global South are not part of the "world economy"? Russia, the world's largest food and fertilizer producer, with more food than people it can feed, faces the spectre of food shortages? I stopped watching there.
::::You guys, I can only supply you with facts about this war and Russia; I can't (or more accurately, don't have the time to) teach you how to think. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 01:06, June 26, 2023 (EDT)
:::::For example. Cons: No, it is not (just) "Ukraine cheerleading"; it is programmed globalist propaganda (aimed at school kids). Call it what it is, rather than blathering about nothing to no effect. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 01:09, June 26, 2023 (EDT)
===Support for Ukraine Aid remains high among US public===
[Just passing through and on my phone. Will be back later]
Sad to see some resort to ad hominems, slurs and expletives. Probably an admission that ones position cannot face up to the Truth.
And regarding: "No State shall organize, assist, foment, finance, incite or tolerate subversive, terrorist or armed activities directed towards the violent overthrow of the regime of another State, or interfere in civil strife in another State.", someone should tell Putin because that's exactly what he did in Ukraine. I agree with Conservative that Prighozins rebellion shows Putin is a bad leader. There were signs of Prighozhins anger for a long time, as the Kremlin mismanaged the war more and more badly. Whether or not Prighozin was in discussion with Ukraine is beside the point.
Anyway, here is the info: "Support for sending military aid to Ukraine remains high among the American public, according to a new poll, but many want European allies to do more ...
Of 1,254 American adults surveyed, 59 percent said they support military aid to Ukraine, nearly double the 30 percent opposed. That is virtually unchanged from a the Reagan Insitute’s prior poll last November, which recorded 57 percent in favor of aid and 33 percent opposed. The questions were phrased differently.
“The polling does not indicate that there’s Ukraine fatigue or aid fatigue,” said Rachel Hoff, policy director at the Reagan Institute. “There’s not decreasing levels of support for sending military aid to Ukraine. That’s remained consistent.” The Kremlin has not succeeded in persuading the world to look the other way. Ukraine will become a Nato member soon, and Putin will have to withdraw his troops. That's looking more and more likely. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 12:16, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
:Putin should have never launched his special operation in February of 2022. Some simple polling in the USA/Ukraine might have shown him the degree of resolve that the Ukrainians/Americans would potentially have. Common sense alone would have told Putin that you don't get into a potential war of attrition when you are faced with a demographic winter due to your country's subreplacement fertility rate and foreigners' reluctance to move to your country (See: [[Russia's fertility rate]]). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:32, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
===Every day, the Russians are slowly retreating - and he real counter-offensive is yet to come ===
"‘Every day, the Russians are slowly retreating – and the real counter-offensive is yet to come’
Father and son fighting against the Russians in Bakhmut say it was ‘almost fun’ to watch Wagner mutiny as Ukrainians continue their advance
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/06/26/wagner-failed-coup-ukraine-soldiers-trenches-bakhmut/ [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 16:35, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
:Again, let me restate, the Western "experts" don't know anything about Russian military tactics or doctrine. The Russians ''are not'' fighting for territory, unlike NATO/Ukraine which is. The Russians are fighting to demilitarize Ukraine, i.e. destroy its army. Like Bakhmut and Stalingrad, the Russians draw in an attacking force, making them extend their supplies, encircle them and destroy them. Then reclaim the vacant territory.
:Ukraine has not reached the Russian frontlines yet, and is fighting its way through the grey Zone (or No man's land) to reach the Russian fortifications. Along the 676 km front, the closest they have got so far is maybe 4 or 5 km. on average, it's been 20-30 kms. Someplaces 10-12 kms. Once they reach the frontline fortifications, they'll be chewed up. Each day that passes allows the Russians to further dig and resupply, whereas NATO/Ukraine is suffering horrendous losses of its limited manpower and material reserves, while extending its supply lines.
:Ukraine is not fighting for any real military of strategic objective; it's conducting a PR war until July 11, hoping to get more aid. And the Russians are fine with that, cause it means bleeding NATO of resources a little more. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 17:35, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
:Meanwhile, the civilian populations of NATO turn against its leadership because of inflation and economic hardship, whereas you've just seen a united Russia behind its leadership. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 17:37, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
== I spoke to the owner of the website about the main page talk dissension and infighting ==
I spoke to Andy about the main page talk dissension and infighting.
Andy mentioned one of the root causes. He said that some editors are ignoring the [[90/10 rule]].
I think Andy is correct about this matter.
'''What is the 90/10 rule?'''
The [[Conservapedia:90/10 rule|90/10 rule]] is designed to encourage productive edits to our encyclopedia articles, essays and debates (see also: [https://conservapedia.com/Category:Essays Conservapedia essays] and [https://conservapedia.com/Category:Conservapedia_Debates Conservapedia debates]). The purpose of the 90/10 rule is to discourage unproductive editing such as belligerent editing and [[troll]]ing at Conservapedia (Please see: [[Conservapedia:Avoid personal remarks]] and [[Conservapedia:Inappropriate/trolling behavior - Examples]]).
The 90/10 rule discourages users from spending 90% of their time complaining, carping, cutting people down and forming [[cabal]]s at Conservapedia - and only 10% actively helping to craft good encyclopedia articles/essays and participate in Conservapedia debates. Useful editing means making worthwhile edits and includes collaborative efforts to improve articles/essays on talk pages. The rule is applied to a person's editing activitity as a whole and not smaller periods of editing. For example, if users have a history of productive editing and they are editing talk pages to improve articles/essays, participate in debates or make various improvements to Conservapedia, the 90/10 rule will not be applied to them. The 90/10 rule is only applied to disruptive editors.
Conservapedia encourages collaboration to improve articles, essays and debates. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:11, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
:What are you suggesting? block Nishant? Man, you did a good job there, huh? Didn't you? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:15, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
::Nishant can follow the 90/10 rule. If he doesn't then he should be corrected.
::RobS, I would suggest not using the main page talk as a bulletin board about the war in Ukraine. Because that is literally inviting people to disagree with you. And unfortunately, you have not been civil in some of those discussions (blocking dissenting views with templates, falsely calling people Nazis, etc.).
::And of course, you and I can follow 90/10 too. Admins should lead by example.
::In the past, Conservapedians focused more on content. That was good for traffic. People want to read articles or well-structured and civil debates on debate pages. They don't want to read a lot of uncivil wrangling on talk pages. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:23, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
:::"I would suggest not using the main page talk as a bulletin board about the war in Ukraine". Well duh. Why did you Edit War with me when that was EXACTLY what I was putting an end to? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:26, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
:::Look, this entire fiasco is on you. You picked a needless and senseless fight with me. You conspired against editors. You tried to turn CP into a mobocracy to gang up on other editors. You deleted talk pages. You edit warred. Your co-conspirator you tried to recruit who rejected you, now gets an official warning. Absolute brilliant work. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:30, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
:::Don't say another word until you accept responsibility for what you have done and apologize to the editors you have harmed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:31, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
:::You have long known my sentiments on 90/10. I think Andy knows. But YOU burnt Nishant in this crazy scheme of yours.
:::What is a Nazi? a heartless person with no regard for other people. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:34, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
::::RobS, when you falsely call people Nazis, rudely cover people's text in civil discussions with rude templates and accuse people of phobias they don't have (Namely, "Russophobia"), you are going to get some pushback. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:36, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
:::::Have you figured out that there's real people with real feelings and sensibilities out there behind the keyboards, or are you just thinking of yourself? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:47, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
:::::Maybe they're all just a bunch infertile drunk Russians, or obese atheists, so who cares, huh? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:51, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
:::(ec) That Deletion key needs to be taken away from you. You do not know how to use it properly. You think you can do and say anything, and always cover your tracks when you screw up (you admitted as much today). Instead, you create mistrust in the wiki among users. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:38, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
:::Then you wanna play Let's Make A Deal; "I'll stop abusing my powers if you bla bla bla". WTH? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:42, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
::::"...if you stop hurting my feelings" or something along those lines. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:43, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
:::As to me allegedly calling you a Nazi - I'm flattered. That means you value and/or respect my opinion. Unfortunately, you're only thinking about yourself. "He hurt my feelings", while you routinely disrespect people all the time and tell them outright you don't give a crap what they think. Taking 2 1/2 YEARS to respond to a polite request from Nishant, only to have to threaten to block him a day later. You have the kiss of death about you. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 21:01, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
::::Actually, it is not because I highly respect you or that I am thin-skinned that I don't put up with you calling me a Nazi (I don't respect any bullies/egotists - especially those who knowingly say things that are false), it is merely because I refuse to take any guff - especially when it is obviously not true and a lie. Why should I put up with any guff? Obviously, expecting civility is not a high and unrealistic bar to ask others to clear. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:27, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
:::::I never called you a Nazi; I informed that there are hundreds of millions of people on planet earth who regard what you repeat daily about Russia, Russians, and Vladimir Putin as Nazi rhetoric. Your response generally is to double and triple down. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 23:39, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
:::::And here's the thing: you have no need or reason to do so, because of your demonstrated lack of knowledge on the subject. Yet you repeat that nazi rhetoric daily seemingly cause somehow you got the idea that it irritates me. It doesn't. You making a fool of yourself deliberately to tweak other people (I'm not the only one here) does irritate me. I'm trying to do you a favor - just shut up about things you don't understand. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 23:45, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
:::::Whatever gave you the impession that I personally have some sort of an emotional attachment to Russia or Vladimir Putin, I have no idea. But it fits with an overall impression I've gained in the 15 years that I've known you as being extremely poor at reading other people. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 23:48, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
::::::Hey, I'm not saying t hat's a fault or anything - but I'm sure you must be aware of it. You are untrusting of other people, and make yourself, without realizing it, untrustworthy by other people. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 23:56, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
You did call me a Nazi. You do act rude by covering up others text with a template when they are engaging in civil debate. In addition, you think there is no price to being rude to others and breaking civility guidelines. There is often a price to being rude. For example, I was going to pay for the login problem to be fixed. You can forget about that now. Why would I pay for the login problem when the wiki is plagued by the presence of a very uncivil admin? Of course, I wouldn't ever do that. In addition, having an uncivil atmosphere is a big turn-off to new editors - even if they work their way through the login issue. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:21, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:The next time i call you out for openly expressing nazi views, stop and think for a minute, "What did i say?" and if you're not sure, ask, "What do you mean?" Don't get all huffy and pouty ("Mom, he's being mean to me.") Communicate. Learn. Grow. Don't go back into your vindictive cocoon. It's hard for me to believe you have that big, or that fragile, of an [[ego]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 01:50, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
See what I mean? [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Community_Portal&diff=next&oldid=1958473] You behave deliberately to irritate people and think the rules do not apply to you. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 00:42, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
Placing usernames in subheadings is a fundamental violation of civility and show of disrespect. Is your argument that you are just too stupid and ignorant to understand that? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 00:44, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::RobS, my material has been cited by conservative organizations and a theologian. I don't recall the same for you. And here is an experiment for you. Go on Andy's talk page and ask him if you are a conservative. I know he is not going to say yes to that question. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:45, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
::::I am fundamentally a realist or pragmatist, which makes a me conservatives; ideologues are dreamers which makes them liberals, living in world of make believe. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 00:52, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
::::Look at yourself: for the past several election cycles, the world is screwed up with problems. You never focus on the problems. All you say is "The Republicans are gonna win in 2 years and we all live happily ever after". From a realist perspective, that makes you a liberal dreamer. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 00:54, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
::::And from a realist perspective, getting into a pointless argument with a dreamer is a waste of time. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 01:01, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
::::You and I have discussed this before. I do not believe being a conservative means being stubborn and ignorant. I believe conservativism is dynamic, living and active, sharper than a two-edged sword, and so on. if you do not accept my definition of conservativism, we'll just have to agree to disagree. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 01:45, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
RobS, the realist? The guy who fights tooth and nail when various negative things are pointed out about Russia? Spare me. Mr. Realist, why don't you create these articles and make them a respectable length: [[Russian war atrocities in Ukraine]] and [[Russia and alcoholism]] and [[Russia and AIDS]] and [[Russia and divorce]] and [[Russia and corruption]] and [[Russia and abortion]] and [[Corruption in the Russian military]] and [[Russia and life expectancy]] and [[Russian church attendance statistics]] and [[Russia and war atrocities]] and [[Russia and male alcoholism]] and [[Russian Orthodox church attendance statistics in Russia]] and [[Russia's high prevalence of noncommunicable diseases]] and [[Russian population loss under the Vladimir Putin administration]].
:Those are a lot of good pro-[[LGBT]] titles. I'm sure they're on the drawing board in a lot of LGBT circles. Probably a lot of transgenders at work on it already. Hey, [https://www.bitchute.com/video/buz3r9xvMc12/ here's one maybe you can get to help you]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 09:46, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:I have to admit what a fashion trendsetter Zelensky is - even the new [[AFU]] spokesperson or thing whatever it is has one of those green shirts. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 09:53, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
And of course, the so-called realist RobS would never admit that if he were a fervent, Protestant evangelist in Russia trying to fulfill the Great Commission, he would face religious persecution in Russia.
Lastly, you constantly use logical fallacies. And unfortunately for you, logic and reality are very compatible. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:36, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:By the way, your article [[NATO war in Ukraine]] has received 62,415 page views. My article [[Atheism and bestiality]], which you recently mentioned, has received 114,668 page views which is nearly double the page views. And while I was writing my atheism articles, American's views regarding atheists become more negative (See: [[Distrust of atheists#University of Minnesota study indicates that American dislike of atheists grew|University of Minnesota study indicates that American dislike of atheists grew]]). And collectively, my atheism articles still receive a considerable amount of page views (See: [[Conservapedia:Atheism articles statistics]]) despite the [[decline of the atheist movement]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:28, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
::Aw, boo hoo. Somebody called me a Nazi. Boo hoo. I'm gonna burn the house down boo hoo. I'll show you how mean and cruel I can be. Boo hoo. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 09:33, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
::You don't want people to think you're nazi? Drop the nazi attitude and compulsion about destroying your enemies. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 09:41, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
::While you were busy at work on [[Rational Media Board of Director and RationalWiki Moderater User: Spud and ultra-processed/unhealthy/junk food]] between [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Rational_Media_Board_of_Director_and_RationalWiki_Moderater_User:_Spud_and_ultra-processed/unhealthy/junk_food&action=history April 30 and June 8] I imagined Hitler down in the bunker studying maps while the Russian missiles impacted overhead. So inspirational. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 10:00, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::As to your [[Atheism and bestiality]], I got news for you. Satan '''is not''' an [[atheist]]. Satan believes in God. Your atheism articles have very little to do with spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ or Christianity. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 10:08, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::::I don't take guff from RationalWikians and I don't take guff from you. Deal with it. RationalWiki is always talking about science and medicine and yet they are not following best practices when it comes to [[nutritional science]]. So I called them on it.
:::::My atheism articles have received a ton of views because I cover what the mainstream press and secular universities are not teaching concerning atheism.
:::::And of all the people I have come across you are one of the least realist people I have come across because you constantly use logical fallacies and fight tooth and nail when contrary evidence is brought up about your pet ideological positions. Mr. Cognitive Flexibility, you are not. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:21, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
::::You atheism articles do nothing to spread Christian love or the gospel of Jesus Christ. In that sense, they are deceptive. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 10:25, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
::::Believing in God is not [[salvation]]. You atheism articles do very little, if anything, to lead people to salvation. 10:28, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
::::Both the theist and atheist who do not believe Jesus Christ shed his blood as payment for sinners are going to hell. So where have you accomplished anything? Faith without works is dead. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 10:31, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::::Sorry brother, but I see little Christian love in your attitude and actions toward Rationalwiki User:Spud or myself. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 10:33, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::::My prayer is that Zelensky, Dylan Mulvaney, and you all repent. Vladimir Putin has. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 10:35, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
RobS, how many Conservapedia articles on Christian evangelism have you wrote? None? Yes, none. A big fat zero.
I know I have written articles such as [[internet evangelism]] and [[Resources for leaving atheism and becoming a Christian]] (Which has received 76,690 page views) and [[Resources on becoming a Christian]] (which has received about 28,000 page views) and [[Historical examples of the exponential growth of Christianity]].
This is a great example of you not being a realist. Reality is contrary to how you view matters. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:38, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:Resources on leaving atheism and becoming a Christian. Well now, that's good. That should even be expanded on. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 10:41, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
Nice Article, Cons. I might add to it later if I have time. One of my areas of interest too. Could give the historical examples of how England, France, Germany or Ireland first became Christian (through the preaching/ministrations of Saints like Augustine of Canterbury, Remigius, Boniface and Patrick respectively) or more contemporary/recent examples. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 10:46, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:(ec) Cons, Let's get back to [[Rational Media Board of Director and RationalWiki Moderater User: Spud and ultra-processed/unhealthy/junk food]] (which isn't even marked as an essay). What was the purpose in creating this article while the Russian missiles were striking overhead? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 10:45, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
::This mainspace article, which you present as factual information and not Essay, presumably was created cause Spud hurt your feelings. If I'm wrong, correct me. It was created out of vindictiveness. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 10:52, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
::You must have some understanding of why this knowledge needed to be shared with the world for the 6 seeks you intensively worked on it. We could add up the number of hours you put into it. C'mon now. Please share with us the motivations and necessity behind this article. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 10:55, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::Thanks guys. I do believe in the 90/10 rule - at least in spirit. And I have expressed my thoughts on this matter. So I am going to get back to some projects that I am working on off-[[wiki]].
:::As far as Spud/RationalWiki and processed food, one of the things I do in my articles is point out the inconsistencies of people and their stated ideologies (In this case, science and nutritional science). That's probably why my [[Atheist hypocrisy]] article has over 90,198 page views. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." - Saul Alinsky. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. There is no defense. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage." - Saul Alinsky (See: [[Irritating an opponent (military and political tactic)]]. "So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak." - [[Sun Tzu]]. "If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him." - Sun Tzu (See: [[Irritating an opponent (military and political tactic)]]).
:::I realize that people are somewhat indoctrinated to eat processed food via years of watching processed food commercials and that [[food science]] scientists make the food to be enticing/addictive and that people are creatures of habit. So I don't expect Spud/the portly Trent Toulouse/Ace Mc Wicked to overcome their penchant to eat processed foods. But their supposed love of science does contradict their dietary habits. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:04, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
::::Me too. I'm getting back to my realist roots. Getting into a pointless argument with a dreamer is a waste of time. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 11:02, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
RobS, you alleged realist roots cannot break through the hard ground of your frequent use of logical fallacies and your penchant to fight tooth and nail when evidence contradicts your pet ideologies. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:07, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:Oh, thanks. My pet ideologies are the Lord Jesus Christ and ultra-processed/unhealthy/junk food. Any others? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 11:16, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:[https://www.bitchute.com/video/buz3r9xvMc12/ Here's your boy again.] He's got more cahoonies than you do. He's standing up to Putin on the frontline. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 11:21, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
::RobS, you can't use Russia's antipathy towards homosexuality to whitewash Russian war atrocities in Ukraine. Write the article: [[Russian war atrocities in Ukraine]], Mr. Realist. And move to Russia. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:29, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::"I'm not a Russophobe, some of my best friends are Negroes. I listen to jazz and Russian music all the time." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 11:50, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
[[File:Ukrainian nazi propaganda.jpg|right|400px|thumb|Both CIA and Kyiv propaganda attempts to brainwash a younger generation with the ahistorical doctrine that Ukrainians are not Russian and do not have a common origin with Russians. [https://web.archive.org/web/20220315202518/https://twitter.com/Uinp_gov_ua/status/1503439897025204224] ]]
::::Russophobe? Dr. RobS, where did you get your doctorate in internet armchair psychology? In short, your psychobabble has been weighed in the balance and found wanting.
::::By the way, in my last grocery trip, I bought bananas, fresh spinach, and fresh pea pods because unlike Spud/the portly Trent Toulouse/Ace Mc Wicked, I have an iron will! See: [[Atheism and mental toughness]]. Trent is the Pillsbury "Ultra-processed Food" Doughboy of atheism! See: [[Atheism and obesity]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:56, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
::::::Where? How about all the Neo-nazi rhetoric you posted this morning. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 12:01, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::::::"When the Russo-Japanese War came I was older and better able to judge for myself. For national reasons I then took the side of the Japanese in our discussions. I looked upon the defeat of the Russians as a blow to Russian Slavdom." - Adolf Hitler, ''Mein Kampf'' Volume 1, Chapter 5. (Ralph Manheim translation). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 12:08, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::::::Hmmm, Russia, then as now, wasn't even Communist. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 12:09, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
You live in fantasy world RobS. I have moved on. Your email is blocked. Your phone number is off my cell phone contacts list. And post-pandemic, I am developing closer friendships and new friendships with Christian realists who don't scream over the phone like a banshee when their pet ideologies have holes poked in them. Anytime you want to contact me off wiki again, you know what you have to do. Tell Andy you are ready to apologize for your abhorrent behavior and he will relay the message to me. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:08, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:(ec) If you were slightly more knowledgeable on the present situation and the historical circumstances, you'd be a bit more restrained in your rhetoric. You're not. You're frothing at the mouth with Russophobia.
:In your Russophobic rants, you basically deny Russians and Ukrainians are the same people, following the Neo-Nazi/CIA/Kyiv regime nazi [[propaganda]] line. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 12:15, June 28, 2023 (EDT) [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 12:15, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
::Get back in your armchair and spend some time admiring your Doctorate of Armchair Psychobabble that you got from some diploma mill.
::'''Question:''' Is Russophobia preventing you from moving to Russia? Your love of Russia/Putin is a mile wide and an inch deep. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:22, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
::::Me? I'm actually more of a Germanophile (at least I always was until I saw a guy attending the Bayreuth Festival in a skirt last year). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 12:50, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::I'll make you a deal: Stop posting Nazi rhetoric and I'll stop calling attention to the fact that you post Nazi rhetoric. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 12:25, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::Are the Ukrainians Russian? or are they Nordic Aryans as the CIA and Kyiv regime claim? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 12:31, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
::::Move to Russia, RobS. Then your so-called love of Russia would have more realism, Mr. Realist. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:50, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::::What's funny is, back in the days of the CP-Ratwiki wars (which you evidently haven't got the memo yet about the ceasefire and frozen conflict), they used to debate whether or not I was Ukrainian, based on my anti-communism and penchant to mishandle the English language by dropping certain articles and prepositions. I had to assure them, no, I was born in the United States and have studied some German. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 13:01, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
::::::I freely admit, I have pretty much always been a Francophobe and not much of an Anglophile. I'm troubled by modern Germany, although I culturally and historically have been a Germanophile. I overcame my own Russophobia in the late 1970s and 1980s with [[Solzhenitsyn]]'s help, understanding that the Russian people were primarily Christian, and not communist. Of course, America's loss in Vietnam also played a big part in helping me to see the lies and propaganda in American media, culture, films, etc. about communism and Russia.
::::::When the Soviet Union collapsed, it was a victory for Christianity. It's a pity nazisymps like yourself can't see that, and are trying to undo it now. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 13:12, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
::::::But those damn French. I used to blame them for America's involvement in Vietnam. Now I see it was the [[fascist]]s in the [[military industrial complex]] that caused it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 13:17, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
::::::I also need to give some credit to my Spanish-American friends (Chicanos) for helping me to see the lies of the American government, media, and propaganda. Sure, there are many Anglophobes in Spanish culture, who call all white people 'Angelos' even if they are Polish or Hungarian, but they told me straight up, "No, America lost in Vietnam" which I didn't realize or accept well into the 1980s. That's how brainwashed I allowed American culture to do to me. White people were no help, if they weren't in denial, they were just ignorant. But the Hispanics seemed to relish that the Angelos finally got what they deserved. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 13:25, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::::::When I forget to put the word "a" to denote singular, and have to reedit, the first thing that pops up in the back of my head is "damn French" "Why can't the English language get with the rest of planet?". I'm sure that betrays my Germanic and Slavic background. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 13:42, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
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:Anyways, get used to it. In life, there are no solutions, only tradeoffs. If you wanna join the anti-Russia camp, that puts you in the Nazi camp, per the 2/3 of the population of the planet that supports Russia. IMO, it would be easier to remain neutral and just shut up. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 14:16, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
::I merely skimmed your biographical information above. Remember, I "unpersoned" you. Your email is blocked. Your phone number has been removed from my cell phone.
::But by all means, keep droning on about yourself like some bore with a very large ego who often behaves abhorrently. Thank God I decided to upgrade the people I talk to off wiki. Thank God indeed! As it is commonly said, show me your friends and I’ll show you your future. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:45, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::Be honest with yourself. Last time we spoke on the phone, you asked me if the 2004 [[Orange Revolution]] was the 2014 "[[Revolution of Dignity]]" or were they two separate incidents. You know nothing of these issues regarding Ukraine, Russia, the Russia-Ukraine war, or US interference. And maybe I scream and curse on the phone cause you won't listen, refuse to listen, and troll me online. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 23:57, June 29, 2023 (EDT)
:::Boo hoo a nazi troll unpersonned me boo hoo. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 16:56, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::I don't give a wit what your American culture or American idioms taught you about Nazism. The fact that 80 years after the fact, you wanted to argue with me for days, weeks, and months last year whether or not non-German Nazis in Ukraine existed tells me and the whole world all they need to know. Maybe it's propaganda and brainwashing from American public schools that teaches such ignorance. I don't know. And frankly don't care. You've been warned now what a Nazi is. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 17:03, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::What you think you know about Nazism you learned from Hollywood and public schools; and no, the United States did not defeat Nazism and win the Second the World War. And I do not believe Andy holds to your definition of conservativism meaning stubborn and ignorant. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 13:34, June 29, 2023 (EDT)
===Something about Rationalwiki referral traffic, I think===
Speaking of RationalWikians, [[RationalWiki]] is at its [[[RationalWiki and Google referral traffic|lowest Google referral traffic point in all its recent history]]. The "Criticism of socialism" article that I inspired RationalWiki admin User: GeeJayK to write, which was recently published, must have taken a lot of wind out of secular leftists RationalWikian sails. On behalf of all capitalists, I declare total victory over internet secular leftists! It is a total beatdown on their own home field of RationalWiki. See also: [[RationalWiki and Google referral traffic]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:14, June 30, 2023 (EDT)
:Exciting. Exhilerating. Fascinating. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:34, June 30, 2023 (EDT)
:Inspirational. Charming. Impressive. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:53, June 30, 2023 (EDT)
:You should actually post this over at the Sum Total of Human Knowledge (Wikipedia) where it might be better appreciated and understood (and get more traffic). I don't see much relevance in a Conservative wiki. We Conservatives are all about building people and things up, not tearing down and gloating in other's misfortune. Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:37, June 30, 2023 (EDT)
== Peace through Strength saves lives ==
Immediately after Saving Souls, which is the greatest good work we can do, one of the next greatest good work we can do is surely that of saving lives. The reason I promote Raeganite Peace through Strength is because it saves lives. It has already done that by preventing Nuclear War and World War III. Peace through Strength is something Pope St. John Paul II also promoted, (so Conservative Christians, both Evangelical/Catholic Christians did), all because it helps save lives. If we hope the Gospel to grow, we don't want a major world war, especially a nuclear war. America, NATO, and the West being strong (and also including democratic Asian Countries, from India to the Philippines to Japan, which also have strong economies/large populations etc) is one of the best deterrents to threats from autocratic/communist/dictatorial regimes imo. So I don't see Peace through Strength as being opposed to Gospel Work at all, but in fact aiding it. God Bless. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 10:53, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:"Peace thru Strength" reminds me of "''Kraft durch Freude"''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 16:05, June 28, 2023 (EDT)