Difference between revisions of "Debate:Why do Moses, Ezra, Jesus, and Paul all disagree on divorce?"

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umm read the verse again...it says fornication...sex without being married....which would
 
umm read the verse again...it says fornication...sex without being married....which would
 
implie they were not virgins...you got a better explaination? its exactly what Joseph considered
 
implie they were not virgins...you got a better explaination? its exactly what Joseph considered
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doing with mary. what bible you reading from?
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doing with mary as he thought she no longer was a virgin. what bible you reading from?
 
--[[User:Wally|Wally]] 17:12, 28 June 2007 (EDT)
 
--[[User:Wally|Wally]] 17:12, 28 June 2007 (EDT)
  

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God is divorced. See Is.54:5 [1] and Jeremiah 3:8 [2]

  • thy Maker is thine husband
  • for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce

RobS 00:06, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

Christianity is full of contradictions. I suggest you develop schizophrenia and multiple personality disorder to deal with the impossibilities of religion. That is certainly what most Christians do.Rebiu 22:55, 10 May 2007 (EDT)


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What's a Christian To Do??

Don't get married. Sevenstring 20:46, 29 May 2007 (EDT)



Foolishness

Sheer mockery or just convoluted thinking?

1 Corinthians 2:15 "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."

To those without wisdom: Proverbs 8:36 "But whoever fail to find me harms himself; all who hate me love death."

I pray that some day you will seek wisdom so that you will be able to understand God's Word.--Roopilots6 20:40, 29 May 2007 (EDT)

Truth is, God was married to Israel, divorced her, invited her back (in contradiction to Deuteronomy 24 which he even says so in Jeremiah 3). The New Testament Church is now the bride of Christ, and awaits return of the bridegroom who is coming back for his bride. RobS 20:53, 29 May 2007 (EDT)
Not actually. Israel is the bride to be wed. The bridegroom (Christ) who was rejected at His first coming has yet to return at the Second Coming. Christians are the branch grafted into the tree of Israel. Israel is the bride that will recognize their Messiah upon his Second Coming. There are no contradictions to that in God's Word. The contradictions come from mankind misunderstanding that Word.--Roopilots6 21:21, 29 May 2007 (EDT)
I think you have reiterated what I've said; now, what is the meaning of Isaiah 54:5 and Jeremiah 3:8? RobS 21:50, 29 May 2007 (EDT)

Isaiah 54:5 "For you Maker is your husband the Lord Almighty is his name - the Holy One of Israel is you Redeemer; he is called the God of all the earth." Israel is often portrayed as the bridegroom or bride in their relationship with God. So then the role plays out when Israel misbehaves a divorce certificate is issued. Israel is sent away from her home into exhile in 721 B.C. such as in Jeremiah 3:8 But remember that Israel hasn't actually been wedded to their Messiah because they didn't recognize Him the first time. Not until the end of Jacobs 70th week known as the Tribulation. Read Romans 11:25-27

Revelation 19:7 "Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and His bride has made herself ready." Many people will try to use mention of a divorce certificate to say that God has ridden Himself of Israel. That now the church is His bride. Of course this is in conflict with every book of the Bible. This is one of the signs of an apostate church. Israel is the tree and root while the Christian church is the branch grafted onto the tree. Romans 11:17-21--Roopilots6 21:48, 30 May 2007 (EDT)

Thank you for clarifing that. RobS 22:10, 30 May 2007 (EDT)

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well its quite clear that God does not approve of divorce but if certain rules are followed it is allowed...I.E you CAN'T get re-married. This was not Mose's wish but the people. Jesus still disapproving it allowed for that law to remain in place. so move on, its not a good choice but it is allowed. For me its still unclear though is divorced allowed ONLY if your spouse is NOT a virgin OR is divorce allowed for any reason EXCEPT thier NOT a virgin.

Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

--Wally 14:23, 28 June 2007 (EDT)

  • Jesus ...disapproving ..allowed for that law to remain in place...
Interesting doctrine; are you somehow implying that Jesus's mission was to rewrite the law, and he did so, and that now Christianity follows some form of "biblical law" based upon the teachings of Jesus? RobS 14:27, 28 June 2007 (EDT)
Yeshua Messiach's mission, as it were, isn't to rewrite the Law. It is to fulfill it. By revealing its meaning. Divorced for not being a virgin? I don't think so. Sounds like some other religions' doctrine and not the Judeo-Christian kind.--Roopilots6 15:00, 28 June 2007 (EDT)


umm read the verse again...it says fornication...sex without being married....which would implie they were not virgins...you got a better explaination? its exactly what Joseph considered doing with mary as he thought she no longer was a virgin. what bible you reading from? --Wally 17:12, 28 June 2007 (EDT)

if he allowed the law to "remain"..how is that re-writing it? sounds more like a confirmation yes? --Wally 17:12, 28 June 2007 (EDT)