Judges talk:Contest

Deliberations, elections, and other "judicial" business shall take place here.--TerryH^Talk 13:37, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

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Roll call

First order of business: the calling of a roll. All judges should come to this page and watch it. Please leave your signature.--TerryH^Talk 13:38, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

Present Geo.Complain! 14:57, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

Here Ĥøĵĭmåçħôńğ^talk 17:34, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

Points

As judges, are we required to make a record of every single edit made by all of the users over the course of this week? I thought that was what private record pages for each individual were for. As judges, our responsibility is more concerned with issues like Conservative's edits, and resolving disputes, correct? I think it is time to start enforcing the private record sheets, and make sure that every contestant is keeping track of their own edits. Is this view of our responsibilities accurate? --Ĥøĵĭmåçħôńğ^talk 20:35, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

Team One has certainly set the precedent for keeping records. As to Team Two, the only records I have seen, are Andrew's! We should publish to the main contest page right now our observation that the private record sheets are incomplete--or, if our chief deems it necessary, go to each and every contestant's talk page and remind them.--TerryH^Talk 22:20, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

Lets ask them on their talk pages. Maybe there is a reason. Geo.Complain! 00:26, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

They are finally making records :) Geo.Complain! 15:16, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

Records

Fellow Judges:

I have seen two disturbing trends in the contestants' records:

1. Some contestants are merely reporting totals. They need to furnish harder evidence than that, in the form of links to their articles, so that we can spot-check and verify them.

1. Team Two is very slow in producing their records! Team One is on the stick, thanks to their excellent captain. But someone needs to suggest to Captain SharonS of Team Two that part of being a captain is making sure that all members of her team are in compliance.--TerryH^Talk 22:30, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

Uploads

Joaquin has asked about credit for uploads. How should we respond? Geo.Complain! 00:31, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

By awarding separate point totals for images, these being the same as for edits. Any image would get two points, and if the image is of exceptional quality--unusually striking, or an original graphic that obviously took a lot of the submitter's time and effort to produce--then it gets six.--TerryH^Talk 07:54, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

I agree with your scoring system, Terry. However, I would want there to be a provision that safeguarded against mass-uploads - say, the image must be included in an article (and be relevant!) to count for points. --Ĥøĵĭmåçħôńğ^talk 11:45, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

Uploads: 2 points

Exceptional Quality:+2 EC points Used in Article:+2 EC Points

Work? Geo.^Complain! 23:26, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

Works for me.--TerryH^Talk 08:10, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

Welcoming

A semi neutral third party has pointed out that people are welcoming users before blocking them. (See User:Thisiteisasham for example) Thoughts? Geo.Complain! 00:33, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

I would still grant them the points. The welcome-wagon template contains ample warnings, or at least links to warnings, against unacceptable behavior. If someone gets blocked right away, then let no one say that we didn't warn them.

I would not apply this to a user who chooses a name that he ought to know is blatantly obscene. Welcoming such a user is not appropriate and we ought not grant credit for it.--TerryH^Talk 07:55, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

When a username merits an immediate block, the welcoming of that user shall not count for any points. Or something a little more judicial-sounding. --Ĥøĵĭmåçħôńğ^talk 11:47, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

Support as is Geo.Complain! 13:56, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

I will move this to Contest pages. Geo.^Complain! 23:28, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

A protest

User:Fox is protesting our recent rulings, suggesting that we have somehow "moved the goalposts." See Conservapedia talk:Team contest#Moving goalposts. I don't follow him, but all of us should be aware.--TerryH^Talk 15:25, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

I think that it is important to keep any squabbling that may come up on this private page, and make sure we are presented as a coherent group (which, of course, we are) when we go to the public talk page. I propose that our response clearly states that we are merely clarifying rules that already exist, to avoid any confusion that may come up, and favoritism which might taint a future decision. Also, in response to his complaint about this being too much work, we can remind him that part of the contest is keeping the records; that probably counts for a lot of the work. And if he complains about having to do all that work, remind him that he is responsible for just his own edits; if he would have it done the other way, the judges would be responsible for several times that amount. Does this sound good? --Ĥøĵĭmåçħôńğ^talk 17:33, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

Sounds good. Geo.Complain! 19:40, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

Fox blanked his record page Geo.^Complain! 21:49, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

So I see. What an exceedingly foolish thing to do--he was one of that team's most prolific contributors.

Well, gentlemen, normally absence of evidence does not constitute evidence of absence. But in this case, it does.

Unless Mr. Fox is simply busy editing his records off-line. I often edit articles off-line before I publish them.--TerryH^Talk 21:59, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

Protecting

Joaquin is encouraging protecting new pages. I think that we should discourage this practice but want to hear the group consensus. Geo.^Complain! 17:18, 13 July 2007 (EDT)

What for? If he's worried about what version he wants us to judge, then let him put the permalinks in his team or individual records.

Oh, and BTW: has Fox started to keep records again, or not? If not, then what does everybody propose we do to search out his contributions?--TerryH^Talk 19:23, 13 July 2007 (EDT)

Individual records

We've got records--on everybody. I just found them and repaired the links.--TerryH^Talk 19:24, 13 July 2007 (EDT)

Great! Geo.^Complain! 01:20, 16 July 2007 (EDT)

The end is near... I won't be at my computer until 9:40 tonight, so bear with me. --Ĥøĵĭmåçħôńğ^talk 12:54, 16 July 2007 (EDT)

I will start totaling edits. Geo.^Complain! 14:08, 16 July 2007 (EDT)

Tallies

It seems a few contestants haven't fully filled out their record sheets yet - shall we give these users some time to finish listing their edits before we review for points? --Ĥøĵĭmåçħôńğ^talk 00:39, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

No, Save them for last. I have reviewed Bodhdan and Sharon alreadyGeo.^Complain! 00:54, 17 July 2007 (EDT)