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:::If you're not in sales, you should be, cause you've come close to selling me.  That language is good, but let me voice just two points.  First, the post war era is over, and we're now in the second decade of the post-Soviet era (some debate on whether the Cold War is over or not, so let's use "post-Soviet").  Secondly, liberalism has changed noticeably in the post-Soviet era, why, I couldn't tell you, but it has changed.  All we can do is observe it's basic tenets and principals and report on them.  For one thing, some elements have embraced varying anti-Semitic and one world globalist conspiracy theories.  Some make no pretense of discarding human rights and democracy. For many, liberal principals have no meaning other than being equated with specific homosexual acts (and we have enough evidence in CP to verify that).  Clintonism gave us some valuable observations: while Clinton sold welfare queens & labor unions down the river with Welfare Reform & NAFTA, those two main pilars of liberalism were only to happy to re-elect him in 1996. Does this mean liberals are now such old stodgy conservative reactionaries, so unwilling to change, that they're grateful to be treated like dirt? or there isn't any intelligent basis for it anymore?  I don't know.

:::If you're not in sales, you should be, cause you've come close to selling me.  That language is good, but let me voice just two points.  First, the post war era is over, and we're now in the second decade of the post-Soviet era (some debate on whether the Cold War is over or not, so let's use "post-Soviet").  Secondly, liberalism has changed noticeably in the post-Soviet era, why, I couldn't tell you, but it has changed.  All we can do is observe it's basic tenets and principals and report on them.  For one thing, some elements have embraced varying anti-Semitic and one world globalist conspiracy theories.  Some make no pretense of discarding human rights and democracy. For many, liberal principals have no meaning other than being equated with specific homosexual acts (and we have enough evidence in CP to verify that).  Clintonism gave us some valuable observations: while Clinton sold welfare queens & labor unions down the river with Welfare Reform & NAFTA, those two main pilars of liberalism were only to happy to re-elect him in 1996. Does this mean liberals are now such old stodgy conservative reactionaries, so unwilling to change, that they're grateful to be treated like dirt? or there isn't any intelligent basis for it anymore?  I don't know.

:::I'd like to avoid using words like "tolerant," "open-minded" or "broadminded," becasue that will only necessatite the view of critics.  And as you've probably seen by now I sometimes use a sledge hammar when doing criticism.  In thinking about it, "some forms of personal freedom" is much more expressive of liberalism and "all forms."  FWIW, let's go ahead with your idea.  It's unlocked.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 23:15, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

:::I'd like to avoid using words like "tolerant," "open-minded" or "broadminded," because that will only necessitate the view of critics.  And as you've probably seen by now I sometimes use a sledge hammar when doing criticism.  In thinking about it, "some forms of personal freedom" is much more expressive of liberalism and "all forms."  FWIW, let's go ahead with your idea.  It's unlocked.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 23:15, 24 July 2007 (EDT)