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| − | + | When Jesus said "before Abraham was, I am" could He not be saying that He as Son of God was in heaven since the beginning. I have read the Gospels and maybe I missed it but I have not read any quotes from Jesus saying he was God. Although there is plenty of scripture saying He was the Son and that there is one God. “We know that “there is no God but one.” For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth – as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords” – yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.” (1 Corinthians 8:4-6) “For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” 1 Timothy 2:5 | |
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jesus claimed to be the son of god...right?? according to christanity...
According to GOD
Matthew 3:17 "And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased." That's according to the Jews of His time. The Son of God that became the sin offering for all of mankind. Need more? Read the rest of the Old and New Testament.--Roopilots6 15:24, 28 June 2007 (EDT)
According to Jesus himself
God is refered to as "I AM" in Exodus 3:14; "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."
In the eighth chapter of the Gospel of John, some Jews asked Jesus who he was claiming to be. In his response, he included both the claim that he is the Son of God, and took on the self-existant name, "I AM", that God declared to Moses.
Jhn 8:53-59 "Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? (v.54)Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: (v.55) Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. (v.56) Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad. (v.57) Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? (v.58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. (v.59) Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by."
The Jews obviously understood the dual statements of "my Father...is your God" and "Before Abraham was, I am" as a doubly strong claim to the divine nature of God, since they tried to stone him on the spot. --DavidDeering 13:41, 11 September 2007 (EDT)
When Jesus said "before Abraham was, I am" could He not be saying that He as Son of God was in heaven since the beginning. I have read the Gospels and maybe I missed it but I have not read any quotes from Jesus saying he was God. Although there is plenty of scripture saying He was the Son and that there is one God. “We know that “there is no God but one.” For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth – as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords” – yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.” (1 Corinthians 8:4-6) “For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” 1 Timothy 2:5