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::Crocoite, I don't doubt the importance of breaking news items and you are ceratinly the driving force behind them. However, items on the main page are not accessible to ordinary editors. For sure ordinary editors can suggest an item but it requires the active approval of a sysop for them to be posted, while a sysop can post their own item without any approval; this does not create a level playing-field for all competitors. Furthermore, breaking news is a continuous process, I would hate to see a plethora of items suddenly overwhelm the front page just because a contest is being held, most of which would be skipped over. Breaking news needs to be concise in order to have impact. In my opinion the Main Page is currently overly long; while it could be improved with some design changes (a smaller font for example) there are simply too many items to fit on a normal computer screen without excessive scrolling. However, all that is not relevant to a the discussion of future competitions. I know that you might feel that this would deprive you of point scoring in a future contest, but to make the conditions fair for all competitors I think that Breaking News should be excluded in future comps. Of course like any other competitor you would still be able to contribute to the editing and creation of other articles. These are just my contributions to the debate which I would like the judges to consider. I'm sure Mr. Schlafly will use his wisdom to make the ultimate decision based on their recommendations. [[User:BrianCo|BrianCo]] 16:46, 26 November 2007 (EST)
::Crocoite, I don't doubt the importance of breaking news items and you are ceratinly the driving force behind them. However, items on the main page are not accessible to ordinary editors. For sure ordinary editors can suggest an item but it requires the active approval of a sysop for them to be posted, while a sysop can post their own item without any approval; this does not create a level playing-field for all competitors. Furthermore, breaking news is a continuous process, I would hate to see a plethora of items suddenly overwhelm the front page just because a contest is being held, most of which would be skipped over. Breaking news needs to be concise in order to have impact. In my opinion the Main Page is currently overly long; while it could be improved with some design changes (a smaller font for example) there are simply too many items to fit on a normal computer screen without excessive scrolling. However, all that is not relevant to a the discussion of future competitions. I know that you might feel that this would deprive you of point scoring in a future contest, but to make the conditions fair for all competitors I think that Breaking News should be excluded in future comps. Of course like any other competitor you would still be able to contribute to the editing and creation of other articles. These are just my contributions to the debate which I would like the judges to consider. I'm sure Mr. Schlafly will use his wisdom to make the ultimate decision based on their recommendations. [[User:BrianCo|BrianCo]] 16:46, 26 November 2007 (EST)
I agree with Brian that there should be a point for edit summaries - however I disagree that reverting vandalism shouldn't get even a small number of points. I would say reverting vandalism and keeping the site clean is equivalent to making a minor edit to make one page look slightly better (like bolding).--<small>[[User:Iduan|<span style="color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000">I]][[User_talk:Iduan|<span style="color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033">Duan]]</span></span></small> 20:28, 26 November 2007 (EST)
I agree with Brian that there should be a point for edit summaries - however I disagree that reverting vandalism shouldn't get even a small number of points. I would say reverting vandalism and keeping the site clean is equivalent to making a minor edit to make one page look slightly better (like bolding).--<small>[[User:Iduan|<span style="color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000">I]][[User_talk:Iduan|<span style="color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033">Duan]]</span></span></small> 20:28, 26 November 2007 (EST)
:Let me expand a little on why I believe contest points should not be awarded for reversion of vandalism. Firstly, I would hope that any CP editor will revert vandalism when they see it, it should not become a game of musical chairs to see who gets to it first or become the focus of partisan points scoring. To my mind, the purpose of competitions is to encourage people to make a special effort above their normal level of participation. It would seem to me that blocking and the reverting of vandalism are well handled as a matter of course. Also, reversion of vandalism normally only requires the single click of an undo button and so is not something that requires any particular effort.
:In my desire to create a level playing field for all competitors, we should also consider when most vandalism occurs. As editing during the night is turned off for unregistered users, vandalism is going to be something that occurs during the day or evening US time. Reversion of vandalism is often a matter of being in the right place at the right time; people in a different hemisphere, such as the antipodes or eastern Asia are therefore placed at a disadvantage as there is unlikely to be much vandalism during their editing hours. I am also concerned about the negative image that is projected by awarding points for banning and reverting vandalism, it portrays Conservapedia as being in a state of siege which it certainly is not. Especially after the strong growth of recent months. I do not intend to belittle any of the activities for which I think points should not be awarded, they are all of great value to Conservapedia. I just feel that it is inappropriate to make them competitive issues. [[User:BrianCo|BrianCo]] 14:36, 27 November 2007 (EST)
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