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Well, actually, Jinx, what you would have realised, had you bothered to read what I have written, is that 'fully patched' means 'all available patches have been applied', as I have stated several times.  According to you, however, it means 'any and all issues of any kind have been addressed by patches'.  As I have also stated above, saying that 'fully patched means fully patched' means nothing if you are not giving the proper meaning of 'fully patched' in the first place.  At no time have I said 'fully patched does not mean fully patched', I have said, repeatedly, that what you have claimed 'fully patched' actually means is simply wrong.  The idea that the links I provided are people 'creating problems' with Windows (and, in fact, the different links I supplied referred to several bits of software, not just Windows, so try reading them) shows you are ignorant of fairly basic facts on the subject.  Hackers and crackers don't 'create' problems with Windows, etc, they FIND them.  The malware they create are only designed to take advantage of existing problems, of one kind or another.  Thus, the links I provided disprove your definition of 'fully patched' (that any and all issues are fixed).  If that weren't enough try simply doing a Google search for the phrase, and count how many times the phrase is clearly used to mean what you claim it means.  I have already asked you to do this twice, and you apparantly simply refuse.  To date, you have utterly failed to actually provide any evidence, bar your own assertion, that you are correct, but, instead, have repeatedly tried to arbritrarily insert the idea that all issues, of any kind, raised by the reviews have been addressed by patches, based, apparantly, entirely on your own opinion that the game is fantastic, and therefore cannot be legitimately criticised in any way, backed up by one sentence that uses the phrase 'fully patched' in one article and your own faulty understanding of what 'fully patched' actually means.  As far as I'm concerned, if someone wants to rewrite the section so that no reference is made to this issue at all (or, indeed, simply remove the sentence in question) I have no objection.  What I do have an objection to is Jinx perpetrating a factual inaccuracy based purely on his own opinion, and in face of the evidence. [[User:Urushnor|Urushnor]] 18:48, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
 
Well, actually, Jinx, what you would have realised, had you bothered to read what I have written, is that 'fully patched' means 'all available patches have been applied', as I have stated several times.  According to you, however, it means 'any and all issues of any kind have been addressed by patches'.  As I have also stated above, saying that 'fully patched means fully patched' means nothing if you are not giving the proper meaning of 'fully patched' in the first place.  At no time have I said 'fully patched does not mean fully patched', I have said, repeatedly, that what you have claimed 'fully patched' actually means is simply wrong.  The idea that the links I provided are people 'creating problems' with Windows (and, in fact, the different links I supplied referred to several bits of software, not just Windows, so try reading them) shows you are ignorant of fairly basic facts on the subject.  Hackers and crackers don't 'create' problems with Windows, etc, they FIND them.  The malware they create are only designed to take advantage of existing problems, of one kind or another.  Thus, the links I provided disprove your definition of 'fully patched' (that any and all issues are fixed).  If that weren't enough try simply doing a Google search for the phrase, and count how many times the phrase is clearly used to mean what you claim it means.  I have already asked you to do this twice, and you apparantly simply refuse.  To date, you have utterly failed to actually provide any evidence, bar your own assertion, that you are correct, but, instead, have repeatedly tried to arbritrarily insert the idea that all issues, of any kind, raised by the reviews have been addressed by patches, based, apparantly, entirely on your own opinion that the game is fantastic, and therefore cannot be legitimately criticised in any way, backed up by one sentence that uses the phrase 'fully patched' in one article and your own faulty understanding of what 'fully patched' actually means.  As far as I'm concerned, if someone wants to rewrite the section so that no reference is made to this issue at all (or, indeed, simply remove the sentence in question) I have no objection.  What I do have an objection to is Jinx perpetrating a factual inaccuracy based purely on his own opinion, and in face of the evidence. [[User:Urushnor|Urushnor]] 18:48, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
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:I agree with Learn Together here. It's silly to argue the definition of "fully patched" and really, I'm not sure how it's entirely relevant to the issue at hand. Why don't we focus on making the entire article better and, as Learn Together said, address what the issues with the current game are, not what issues may or may not have been fixed. We are spending way to much time talking about game patches, when the article is not about game patches. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 19:10, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
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:PS: Jinx, you say the "plain, straight-forward" definition is that fully patched means nothing left is wrong, and I would disagree. Fully patched means, especially in this context, that all of the current patches have been applied, not that there are no more holes which need a patch. The hacking analogy might be erroneous (and I'm not saying that it is), but this doesn't mean necesessarily that his conclusion is erronious. I'm afraid I still don't see how this fits in to the entire article, though. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 19:10, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
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