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→A fresh start: I think this supports what I said.
::::::: No, it's not a claim of incredulity. The ripples do not contain a message, because there is no specified complexity, as Conservative mentions. The ripples are the result of natural processes, whereas the information on DNA is not, because the DNA is not arranged by natural laws, but by machines that put it together according to a code. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:51, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
::::::: No, it's not a claim of incredulity. The ripples do not contain a message, because there is no specified complexity, as Conservative mentions. The ripples are the result of natural processes, whereas the information on DNA is not, because the DNA is not arranged by natural laws, but by machines that put it together according to a code. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:51, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
::::::::Actually DNA is a self-assembling molecule, arranged by natural laws. Many common pieces of lab equipment use this fact to replicate, expand and sequence DNA molecules. If you take the four bases, sugars and phosphates and place them in a simple solution they will bind to form a DNA molecule. The reason for this is that the DNA configuration is a lower energy state compared to the individual molecules of the bases, phosphates and sugars. As for information encoded in DNA, well that is another issue.--[[User:Able806|Able806]] 11:39, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
::::::::Actually DNA is a self-assembling molecule, arranged by natural laws. Many common pieces of lab equipment use this fact to replicate, expand and sequence DNA molecules. If you take the four bases, sugars and phosphates and place them in a simple solution they will bind to form a DNA molecule. The reason for this is that the DNA configuration is a lower energy state compared to the individual molecules of the bases, phosphates and sugars. As for information encoded in DNA, well that is another issue.--[[User:Able806|Able806]] 11:39, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
::::::::: I must admit that the methods used in laboratory DNA replication, etc. is something that I don't know much about. However, the only places we have ever seen DNA forming are (a) in living things, and (b) in laboratories. This is because it simply does not occur naturally. What you are talking about is getting ''existing'' DNA to replicate or join, in very precise conditions that scientists create, which is hardly DNA being arranged simply by natural laws. Also, I found [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymerase_chain_reaction this] on Wikipedia (not always a trustworthy source, but probably reasonable in this case), which says "The polymerase chain reaction (PCR) is a technique widely used in molecular biology. It derives its name from one of its key components, a DNA polymerase used to amplify a piece of DNA by in vitro enzymatic replication." In other words, in order to amplify DNA, the process includes the ''machines'' (DNA polymerase) that I mentioned above were required. Doesn't that actually support what I was saying? [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:17, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
== Ending Debate ==
== Ending Debate ==