Talk:Richard Lenski

Formatting

I borrowed a template from another wiki which might make the data section a bit easier to comprehend. I will include it here pending approval of senior sysops. Marge 12:03, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

Looks great. Please install in the entry as desired.--Aschlafly 12:55, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

Okay, I've moved it. I've also cut it from this page for economy's sake. Marge 13:07, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

Actually it makes the article look amaturish. For starters you have written in capitals and you have not explained why the missing data is significant which is the point of the side-by-side template to do a full rebuttle. DanielB 19:44, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

I agree. A discussion specifying what one expects from the 'missing' data and what usefulness such information would likely shed is necessary.--Argon 12:57, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

I agree that it is necessary to establish exactly what is being asked for in the terse comments on the right hand side, sadly such a discussion could get the majority of the contributors banned for the 90/10 rule. I myself have not contributed much to this question recently as a result of this rule. Could the powers that be explicitly suspend this rule on this issue so that the question may be freely discussed? --British_cons (talk) 13:12, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

Listing fields

I'm not a parodist, though I did make a mistake on what a CV is.

On the other hand, after doing some research, I don't think it's standard for faculty to put degree fields in a list of their degrees.

I googled "MSU biology", then went over the "Faculty List A-G". Here is what I found:

No list of degrees: 2 List with fields: 3 List without fields: 12

Finally, Oberlin is a liberal college, and they do focus mostly on liberal arts. Drochld 14:26, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

Template / formatting

Out of interest, I help to administer a private wiki where I work, and think this template is quite nice. Might I ask where you found it, and what (if any) associated copyright restrictions there are on it? Henry8th 15:49, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

Really, "Henry8th"??? That's an amazing coincidence you describe: you just happen to administer a "private wiki" at "work". Before wasting people's time with your silliness, how about convincing us a bit more of the earnestness of comment, as in providing the wiki version number, the type of your employer and the location of your "work". I'm sure the wiki developers who freely donate their efforts for use by all would be thrilled to learn of your profitable use.--Aschlafly 16:33, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

We run Mediawiki 1.6.7 (yes, I know we're incredibly out of date, but we can't upgrade to a newer one as that would require PHP5, whereas we need that server running PHP4 to support other older software). I make it a habit not to disclose too much personal information on the internet, I'm afraid, but I'm a PhD student at a UK university and I help to administer a wiki run by my research group. By "private" I mean "accessible only to people within my research group"; we find that a wiki is an efficient way for us to edit documents collaboratively. Henry8th 16:47, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

The copyright policy here says "Conservapedia grants a non-exclusive license to you to use any of the content (other than images) on this site with or without attribution".JPohl 11:53, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

However, since it was admitted above that the template is not CP's creation, it should first be established whether or not the template was used in a correct way (and if any attributions are needed) before others borrow it from here. ZTak 12:06, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

I would ask the same question as ZTak above. Firstly, from a legal point of view I would want to be absolutely sure that any code I might upload to a server at my university was properly licensed (we have regular software audits, of course). Secondly, from an ethical point of view I would like to make sure that I can properly credit the original author of the template. As someone whose work involves writing computer programs, I certainly wouldn't appreciate it if someone took software I'd written and didn't attribute authorship correctly. Henry8th 14:36, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

Fact checking could use some work on the omissions section

I strongly encourage editors to confirm that the topics on this entry's 'omissions' section page really refer to "data not provided" and do not reflect the lack of understanding of the research. At a bare minimum it is necessary to completely read the actual article. 'Skimming' it quickly is not fair to the goals of this wiki or Lenksi's lab. To at least be diligent, I recommend that the authors of the "omissions" section go to Lenksi's lab web page here (https://www.msu.edu/~lenski/), and peruse (read, not skim) the many papers related to the Long-Term Evolution project that are referenced in the current paper.--Argon 11:57, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

I do not understand why my last edit was reversed

It seems to be common practice (and therefore not "odd") to not list what fields faculty majored in, and Oberlin is very liberal. Drochld 12:34, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

I'm not certain what 'liberal' has to do with anything and "odd" has pejorative overtones. Rather than worry about 'oddness' why not investigate the degrees? In his graduate program Lenski studied insects and evolution and around 1983, worked with Bruce Levin, moving into the study of microbial evolution.--Argon 12:51, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

This man is nothing but a farce

Why must we, the children of God, even acknowledge this liberal atheist (as if there is any other form of an atheist) on our glorious site? We are only feeding his overinflated ego by doing so. --Dexter111344 12:52, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

A problem with: "Lenski is best known for his claim to have observed evolution of E. coli in a long-term laboratory study,"

This recent study is but one of many papers by Lenksi et al regarding the evolution of bacterial populations in continuous culture. He is best known professionally for his in vitro experiments studying the population dynamics of genetic adaptations in bacteria and other studies in microbial evolution.--Argon 13:14, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

don't clutter this entry with meaningless edits????

The topic of the page is 'Richard Lenski'. I added additional bibliographic information about Lenski's professional awards and they are reversed as "meaningless edits"? And the 'odd' comment remains despite the fact that it's common to leave the subjects of the degrees out of web pages?--Argon 13:43, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

Yes, various links to things such as data as well. I thought data was central to the question at hand? Why not link to it (such as it is)? And a mention of his work with virtual organisms seems relevant - especially as it's mentioned again at the end.--British_cons (talk) 13:47, 30 June 2008 (EDT)