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==BEFORE YOU REVERT, READ THIS:==
The source you site says one album, the slim shady album, but not as a "standard method." It is intellectually dishonest to report it otherwise. [[User:Flippin|Flippin]] 17:59, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
:::::So, other than this escapee -- and we can conclude this is the only direct testimony of an alleged torture victim cited in this article -- what credible source can testify they either underwent, or were a witness to, torture? [[User:RobS|RobS]] 21:25, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
::::::So, now you're questioning your own source? Interesting. --[[User:PF Fox|PF Fox]] 16:08, 27 April 2007 (EDT)
:::::::It was never my source; but you may wish to see [[Conservapedia talk:Attribution]] for the relevent issues at hand. Anonymous sources are problematic, and anonymous CIA sources are problematic in particular. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 16:28, 27 April 2007 (EDT)
== Rap is not torture ==
This page needs to be unprotected. This blatant attempt to push POV is embarrassing. [[User:Flippin|Flippin]] 09:26, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
:Page is unprotected. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 17:33, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
::Let's see what you can do with ''ABC'' cite. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 17:34, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
::If you haven't already, ''may'' I remove Eminem from the list, please? [[User:Flippin|Flippin]] 17:34, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
:::You can try, but what are you gonna do with the ''ABC News'' cite? It either has to be removed completely, or cited to some information in the article properly. Honestly, I hate to see it go, but I just haven't figured out a way to keep it yet. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 17:41, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
::Thank you. I am glad that is settled for now and happy we could come to a reasonable conclusion without banning anybody. [[User:Flippin|Flippin]] 18:01, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
:::Me too. (I only ban for trolling). I'm a firm beleiver in reasoned discourse & discussion, know that I don't know everything, and try hard to encourage collaboration. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 20:11, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
::To further clarify or confuse things, CIA Inspector General John Helgerson is the only named source in the ''ABC News'' piece. [http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/print?id=1322866] Turns out Mary McCarthy, the CIA employee fired for breaches of classified information (who incidentally was hired by [[Sandy Berger]]) was Helgerson's assistant. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 23:56, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
== Image ==
Is this image still family-friendly?
[[User:Maupiti|Maupiti]] 17:12, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
:No. It also doesn't seem to have a source. I have removed it. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 23:10, 13 March 2008 (EDT)
==United States==
Amnesty Intl is not a reputable source, more in line with a liberalism agenda.--'''<font color="#6698FF">J</font><font color="#E41B17">p</font><font color="#F88017">a</font><font color="#347C17">t</font><font color="#A74AC7">t</font>'''<sup>[[User:Jpatt| ]]</sup> 16:28, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
:AI is not a reputable source? Then please tell me an organization that tracks matters such as this that would be a reputable org. [[User:NateE|NateE]]<sup>[[User talk:NateE| Let Us Communicate]]</sup> 16:32, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
::Correct, not a reputable source. Sorry, I am not mistaken. I don't know who is reputable but I know who is not. Don't use Human Rights Watch either, another liberalism agenda. If you want to make America look bad, try Wikipedia. --'''<font color="#6698FF">J</font><font color="#E41B17">p</font><font color="#F88017">a</font><font color="#347C17">t</font><font color="#A74AC7">t</font>'''<sup>[[User:Jpatt| ]]</sup> 16:42, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
:::I didn't add the information in question, but if you're going to claim that any source is non a good example, you should at least be able to give some examples of who would be acceptable. [[User:NateE|NateE]]<sup>[[User talk:NateE| Let Us Communicate]]</sup> 16:51, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
:::: I know you didn't add the statement. I agree with you that if I find source unacceptable, I should be able to tell you a source, but I am not a person that digs for dirt on Old Glory. Try contributing more and less talk because you are borderline on the 90/10 rule.--'''<font color="#6698FF">J</font><font color="#E41B17">p</font><font color="#F88017">a</font><font color="#347C17">t</font><font color="#A74AC7">t</font>'''<sup>[[User:Jpatt| ]]</sup> 16:58, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
::::::So in other words, no source in line with the so-called "liberal agenda" is reputable (by assertion), and if such source does exist, you don't know about it therefore we can't use it? Do you have any actual evidence why AI or HRW are disreputable, or is it just because they are liberal? [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 17:31, 24 October 2008 (EDT) PS: I'm nowhere near 90/10
:::::::You are correct, the liberal agenda sources, let me rephrase, anti-American sources are no good. While we cite NYT and WaPo sometimes, we avoid liberal hate site like Huffington and Daily Kos. This is not a neutral site, it is from a Conservative viewpoint. This is not an American bash site either. You want to be fair, you want balance, I want Conservatism. I don't have to explain the complete bias of Shamnesty Intl. and HRW is a homosexual rights organization. If I don't know the source, no HelpJazz, you can add it. If I know it to be liberal, I will point it out everytime. We can't use it... sounds condescending. I am not gestapo of CP. I have been known to back down on issues where I HAVE BEEN WRONG. --'''<font color="#6698FF">J</font><font color="#E41B17">p</font><font color="#F88017">a</font><font color="#347C17">t</font><font color="#A74AC7">t</font>'''<sup>[[User:Jpatt| ]]</sup> 17:42, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
::::::::Well said, Jp. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 17:45, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
:::::::::That's complete junk. If you are asserting that those sites are ''lying'', then fine, there's no need to use them. If you think those sources are telling the ''truth'', but don't hold your conservative values (which I guess is your definition of anti-American?), then it's plain dishonest to not use them. I never said I wanted balance; I want ''honesty''. If you can't have a conservative site without honesty, I think that does more of a disservice to the site than having "anti-American" sources. I have been wrong too, but I'm ''not'' wrong in saying that the assumption that any liberal organization must be anti-American is incredibly faulty and does a disservice to Conservapedia and the conservative values it represents. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 19:36, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
:::I find it hard to believe Shamnesty knows anything. The entire Western world nations, Western hemisphere nations, America is the only torture state. I don't even want to split hairs on what torture is. Shining Path guerrilla group, S. American border conflicts, FARC, Venezuela.... no, America. America with more rights than any nation on Earth. HelpJazz, you pick just one too many battles. A newbie with the total contributions of -one-, picks torture to edit. But not just edit, slander the USA. You pick so-an-so's side over me? I will be wrong at times, I will admit it. Feel free to correct me. On the other hand, HelpJazz, your edits never get reverted. It says something about you. You are either very good, which I believe, or you have all the answers. Liberals, they hate Conservatives more than Al-qaeda. I don't trust a thing from them anymore. Give them the second over, not me. One last thing, those prying eavesdroppers listen up. Jesus is your Omega! --'''<font color="#6698FF">J</font><font color="#E41B17">p</font><font color="#F88017">a</font><font color="#347C17">t</font><font color="#A74AC7">t</font>'''<sup>[[User:Jpatt| ]]</sup> 22:04, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
::::Look, I didn't add the source back in, because I know enough that there are too many grey areas to definitively say that "[[United States]] are (sic) the only western country still using torture as an interrogation technique." I'm not arguing over the edit itself. What I was objecting to was your abject rejection of a liberal organization because it is "anti-American", and your contention that truthful information which shines a negative light on the US should be censored. Hiding truthful information (and again, I'm not talking about this specific edit) only makes us as conservatives look [[deceit|dishonest]], when instead we should say "yeah, bad things happened, but here's how a conservative would improve it". [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 22:32, 24 October 2008 (EDT)