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::::: Lenski's research involved bacteria going through about 44,000 generations before he got ''one'' that he could claim was novel (not that it truly was). Humans, if they evolved from apes, must have had ''thousands'' of information-gaining mutations, and there's been nowhere enough time for that to happen (44,000 generations is about one million years). And with sexual reproduction there's only a 50% chance that any beneficial mutation will be passed on anyway! (See [http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/5827 here] for more on that.)
::::: Lenski's research involved bacteria going through about 44,000 generations before he got ''one'' that he could claim was novel (not that it truly was). Humans, if they evolved from apes, must have had ''thousands'' of information-gaining mutations, and there's been nowhere enough time for that to happen (44,000 generations is about one million years). And with sexual reproduction there's only a 50% chance that any beneficial mutation will be passed on anyway! (See [http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/5827 here] for more on that.)
::::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:10, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
::::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:10, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
== KathrynMonroe's edit ==
I've reverted KathrynMonroe's edit because most claims of information-gaining mutations having been ''observed'' turn out to be bluster or misunderstanding the issue, and because:
* The first reference, to "Susumu Ohno 1984" is not elaborated on, so it can't be checked.
* The second reference, to Sean Carrol, appears, from the abstract, to be to a claimed mutation that occurred "prior to the emergence of the adaptive immune system in vertebrates", so could not possibly have been ''observed''.
* The third reference, from a quick read, also doesn't appear to make any claims about actual ''observation'' of such mutation.
It also makes unsubstantiated claims about old and mined quotes.
[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:28, 30 October 2008 (EDT)