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:Try to distinguish between ideology and science, please. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 14:23, 4 November 2008 (EST)
:Try to distinguish between ideology and science, please. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 14:23, 4 November 2008 (EST)
:: I think what he means is that there are definite changes in species across time and generations... Evolution exists, meaning that genetics and mutations cause traits to change in a species over time - eg skin color, facial features, etc. that distinguish groups within a species. The Theory of Evolution, which attempts to explain the creation of new species through evolution, is a theory, not a fact.[[User:Mikek|Mikek]] 14:28, 4 November 2008 (EST)
::I'd never call a theory a fact. Try to read more carefully, please. --[[User:BRichtigen|BRichtigen]] 14:30, 4 November 2008 (EST)
::: I'm not sure that I agree with Ed Poor's edit, but neither do I agree with BRichtigen's rebuttal. You (BRichtigen) are claiming that Ed Poor is conflating two different concepts (the existence of changes with the explanation of those changes) into the one word, "evolution". Yet you are doing the same sort of thing. You have failed to distinguish between ''observed'' changes within living things due mostly to genetic variation and natural selection and occasionally due to genetic-information-destroying mutations, and ''unobserved'' information-generating mutations that produce new features. You call both of these "evolution" and a fact, yet only the first of these is a fact; the other is a ''belief''. In addition, most people would not even refer to the former as "evolution". When two creatures have offspring, each of the offspring get only half the DNA from each parent. This means that some genetic information in each parent is not passed on. This is why offspring do not look identical to their parents. Yet going by your definition, if this is repeated across all members of the species, then this is evolution! That "evolution" nobody has an issue with, but evolutionists go further and claim the entire evolutionary "family tree" as ''fact''. That is incorrect, and would be what Ed Poor's edit was referring to. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:40, 4 November 2008 (EST)