Talk:Homosexuals and the Holocaust

JohnD wrote: It is widely accepted that homosexuals were targeted during the holocuast. The second sentance even admitts there were gay people in the camp, and that they indentified as such.

The relevant question is whether they were targeted. A tangentially related question is what the 0.1% figure says about the 10% claim of Kinsey and other advocates of perversion. --Ed Poor ^Talk 09:33, 12 November 2008 (EST)--

I've added a reference as per your request.

But not a good one. You gotta do the math. --Ed Poor ^Talk 09:45, 12 November 2008 (EST)

• The Nazi campaign against homosexuality targeted the more than one million German men who, the state asserted, carried a "degeneracy" that threatened the "disciplined masculinity" of Germany. Denounced as "antisocial parasites" and as "enemies of the state," more than 100,000 men were arrested under a broadly interpreted law against homosexuality. Approximately 50,000 men served prison terms as convicted homosexuals, while an unknown number were institutionalized in mental hospitals. Others—perhaps hundreds—were castrated under court order or coercion. Analyses of fragmentary records suggest that between 5,000 and 15,000 homosexual men were imprisoned in concentration camps

1,000,000 estimated homosexual men
   10,000 homosexual men in concentration camps

1. That's a 1% figure. Compare that to 85% of all Jews.
2. Other sources say they were not "rounded up" but caught having public sex.

Please respond to this critique making further article edits. --Ed Poor ^Talk 09:45, 12 November 2008 (EST)

I'm not questioning the numbers. The way you have written the original statement suggests that only gay activists claim that homosexual were targeted during the holocaust. That isn't true. I'm interested to see you've labelled the United States holocaust museum as gay activists.

For another reference see [1] and references there in.

One thing to consider is that it's far more difficult to identify homosexuals than Jews, especially using the methods that the Nazis did. When you have synagogues with membership lists, exclusively Jewish communities, and people who, a few years before, had no reason to hide their identity, it's a lot easier to pick them out. The majority of gay people are private about their life style, you can't make a definitive definition of who's gay by tracking them through their ancestors, and, while they do (I can't speak for whether they did in the WWII era) have some gathering places and communities that are frequented by many gay people, there aren't many, and there probably were far fewer at the time, places that have lists that identify gay people. That makes it a little difficult to compare the percentages of Jews that were targetted to the percentages of gays. Mikek 10:45, 12 November 2008 (EST)