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:The first one is a loaded answer. You could say the same about Star Trek, Stranger in a Strange Land, etc. The problem is, it is not the pivotal point in the show. Take it out, you still have BS-G (maybe not of the same quality, mind you). And in the second link, yes, there is connection. What is proposed on the main page is a faith-based sci-fi, not a sci-fi with faith inside it. And, honestly, unless you want to count ''Stranger in a Strange Land'' by Heinlein, then the examples wear thin. [[User:CodyH|CodyH]] 2233 7 January 2008 (BST)
:The first one is a loaded answer. You could say the same about Star Trek, Stranger in a Strange Land, etc. The problem is, it is not the pivotal point in the show. Take it out, you still have BS-G (maybe not of the same quality, mind you). And in the second link, yes, there is connection. What is proposed on the main page is a faith-based sci-fi, not a sci-fi with faith inside it. And, honestly, unless you want to count ''Stranger in a Strange Land'' by Heinlein, then the examples wear thin. [[User:CodyH|CodyH]] 2233 7 January 2008 (BST)
::Well, it only took me a moment to find those on google; I'm sure there are plenty more if you can be bothered to look :) [[Image:User Fox.png|10px]] [[User:Fox|Fox]] <small>([[User talk:Fox|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Fox|contribs]])</small> 15:29, 7 January 2008 (EST)
::Well, it only took me a moment to find those on google; I'm sure there are plenty more if you can be bothered to look :) [[Image:User Fox.png|10px]] [[User:Fox|Fox]] <small>([[User talk:Fox|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Fox|contribs]])</small> 15:29, 7 January 2008 (EST)
:Say, Fox, you found some essays that make connections that I hadn't thought of. This article is about to change.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]<sup>[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]</sup> 15:32, 7 January 2008 (EST)
[[Intelligent Design]] is not a faith-based science. The claim that ID is faith-based comes only from opponents. And '''their''' materialism is usually based on a faith in [[atheism]], the [[hypocrite]]s. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 11:19, 2 December 2008 (EST)
Heinlein's ''Story of Job'' (I think I got the title right) has a strong theme of faith (as does the "original"). [[User:Human|Human]] 18:27, 3 December 2008 (EST)
:The correct title is ''Job: A Comedy of Justice'' - thank you, anon. [[User:Human|Human]] 19:00, 3 December 2008 (EST)
==Famous authors==
No article would be complete without mentioning [[Isaac Asimov]], [[Robert Heinlein]], [[Arthur C. Clarke]], etc. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 11:18, 2 December 2008 (EST)
==Early examples==
Cut from history section:
:...examples of science fiction writing are found in the 17th century with writers such as Kepler<ref>http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Kepler.html</ref>, John Wilkins<ref>http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/wilkins/wilkins.html</ref>, Athanasius Kircher<ref>http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/319046/Athanasius-Kircher</ref>, Cyrano de Bergerac<ref>http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/148648/Savinien-Cyrano-de-Bergerac</ref>, and Bishop Francis Godwin<ref>http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/236952/Francis-Godwin</ref>, with their works dealing with a protagonist traveling to the moon and exploring that area, and each work containing and based on speculations of the development of [[science]] and [[technology]] going on what was known about those subjects in the authors' days. However, it is the 16th century that what is indisputably a work of science fiction in the modern sense can be found. The work is Sir Thomas More's ''"Utopia"''<ref>http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/tmore.htm</ref>, first published in 1551, and is a work that even today is referenced in science fiction writings.
Your assertion is too broad. Please explain for the reader, who is likely to be unfamiliar with these authors, what their stories were about. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 12:41, 2 December 2008 (EST)
:I did, the basis of each story is that the protagonist is taken to the moon through various means (all based around what was known about science at the time). Each protaganist has various adventures, unique to each story. However, this page isn't about defining about what each work of fiction is about, it is about defining what Sci-Fi is and how the genre came about, if you or anybody else are that keen to know what these stories are about either read the books, google the titles or wait until a page is created describing what each book is about. It is indisputable that these authors were writing Sci-Fi at the time, a quick check of ''Encyclopedia Brittanica'' will confirm that (hence the references, incidentally). I don't mind reverts when I am factually wrong, but please do not revert simply because you do not automatically know when the facts I have presented are wrong or right. If you are unsure of the facts check the references provided and use Google, a simple search using the authors names and the word Science Fiction or Sci-Fi will confirm the facts as stated.--[[User:Ieuan|Ieuan]] 13:03, 2 December 2008 (EST)
This is not Wikipedia. Review the guidelines on [[Conservapedia:Teamwork]] and come back when you are ready to follow them. --
:How about fitting in '''one''' of these stories - the original - and state what it was about, what happened with the character, how it may have originated sci-fi as a genre, and how it influenced the other early sci-fi stories that have similar plots and outcomes. Doing that would possibly make the article a little clearer. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 13:28, 2 December 2008 (EST)
Let me explain this so it's nice and clear for everyone to understand. This is an encyclopedia. The facts I put in ''are'' facts. The references are a beginning, not an entirety. If you find that the references are not enough to teach you that what is written is correct, then it is up to you to research the entirety of what is written in that section. I am not here as a teacher, I am not being paid to be a teacher, nor would I take up that task given the tone of this encyclopedia. I am interested in one thing and one thing only, facts. If you find that your own knowledge is short on these facts, tough, teach yourself, that is '''not''' my duty. If you find my tone harsh, not my problem, I talk straight, I don't mess around and I don't bother with deceptions, lies and misconceptions. I state my case, put forward the basics of evidence, and expect that readers are intelligent enough to read, research, debate, question, and ultimately agree or disagree with what I have written, ''based'' on the work that a reader is willing to put in themselves. I have no time whatsoever with academic laziness nor will I ''ever'' allow myself to encourage such laziness in students and prospective students.--[[User:Ieuan|Ieuan]] 19:22, 2 December 2008 (EST)
:Now, why do I like this answer? [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 01:38, 3 December 2008 (EST)
==Theofiction==
Let me just jump in here (pardon any overlap and/or lack of coherency) and introduce what may be an overlooked idea. The idea is [[Freeman Dyson]]'s theofiction. Basically, Dyson believes that most science fiction is not so good. But according to Dyson, one shiny star in the universe of science fiction is what he has identified as theofiction.
Discussions about Dyson's theofiction:
*[http://books.google.com/books?id=fxz40YdZrkMC&pg=RA1-PA138&dq=theofiction&ei=M-Q1SfKsMZTMkAT3i5n_DA ''A Many-colored Glass''] (book by [[Freeman Dyson]])
*[http://books.google.com/books?id=GQGAkk_CWw8C&pg=PA172&dq=theofiction&ei=M-Q1SfKsMZTMkAT3i5n_DA#PPA171,M1 ''Science and the Trinity: The Christian Encounter with Reality''] (book by [[John Polkinghorne]])
*[http://books.google.com/books?id=01X197TvpaoC&pg=PA111&dq=theofiction&ei=M-Q1SfKsMZTMkAT3i5n_DA ''Spiritual Information''] (book by [[Charles L. Harper]], [[John Templeton]])
*[http://www.nybooks.com/articles/15220 Article by Dyson] (found in ''[[New York Review of Books]]'')
*[http://www.google.com/search?q=theofiction&sa=N&tab=pw Google general search results] on theofiction
*[http://books.google.com/books?q=theofiction&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=np Google book search results] on theofiction
*[http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=theofiction&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tab=wn Google news search results] on theofiction
I'm not a great writer and I don't fully understand theofiction, but I'd be happy to try and help create some content about it. (though my real passions lie more in non-fiction science and religion writings) --[[User:RickD|RickD]] 21:00, 2 December 2008 (EST)