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:I dunno, he is quite studly. [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 23:18, 31 January 2008 (EST)
 
  
 
:Yeah, but doesn't this perpetuate the slander that conservatives are afraid of sex? :) [[User:DLerner|DLerner]]
 
:Yeah, but doesn't this perpetuate the slander that conservatives are afraid of sex? :) [[User:DLerner|DLerner]]
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::Not so much perpetuate as confirm... to judge from many things I have seen on this service, I think conservatives *are* afraid of sex, or at least open acknowledgement of it.  [[User:NewCrusader|NewCrusader]]
  
::Well, I dunno. You could argue that it's not family friendly... Because sex doesn't create families. [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 23:22, 31 January 2008 (EST)
 
:::Ouch, you have quite a bite :). [[User:DLerner|DLerner]]
 
::::Th... thanks? :P [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 23:32, 31 January 2008 (EST)
 
  
 
Why is this page locked?  And why is the only comment Bible-related?  Either erase it and lock it or put something more on it.  [The kids find out about it sometime, whether your encyclopedia wants them to or not...] [[User:FlightlessOstrich|FlightlessOstrich]] 16:50, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
 
Why is this page locked?  And why is the only comment Bible-related?  Either erase it and lock it or put something more on it.  [The kids find out about it sometime, whether your encyclopedia wants them to or not...] [[User:FlightlessOstrich|FlightlessOstrich]] 16:50, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
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:I find it amusing that Osterich is one of the few users without his head in the sand. - [[User:NewCrusader|NewCrusader]]
  
 
Surely even homeschoolers should know how babies are made. God created our bodies and created sex - what are these dumboes afraid of? [[User:Alberti|Alberti]] 10:32, 30 March 2008 (EDT)
 
Surely even homeschoolers should know how babies are made. God created our bodies and created sex - what are these dumboes afraid of? [[User:Alberti|Alberti]] 10:32, 30 March 2008 (EDT)
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::That's for their parents to deal with. - [[User:NewCrusader|NewCrusader]]
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::Because they believe [[God]] made humanity, but He subcontracted out the pink bits to [[Satan]].  Or so they seem to act some times... --[[User:Gulik|Gulik]] 17:12, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
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==Article needs expansion==
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While I understand that the project is desirous of a family-friendly encyclopedia, this article is patently ridiculous.  And locked.  Please add something benign, perhaps along the lines of:
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'''Sexual intercourse''' is the mechanism by which [[human beings]] [[mate]] and produce [[offspring]].  The [[Penis]] enters the [[Vagina]], the male's [[sperm]] [[fertilises]] the female's [[egg]], and the [[child]] forms in the [[womb]].
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There can hardly be the slightest objection to something as simple as that, a matter-of-fact description for children of how we all came to be.  [[User:EngelUmpocker|EngelUmpocker]] 16:55, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
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::I anticipate plenty of objection. For a start, tell a child or young teenager how, and they might want to try it. It also means we have to make articles on mate, penis and virgina, tripling the contriversy. Here's an idea: Disappear the lot. Delete the page, prevent it ever being created again. Do the same for everything that deals with human sexuality. It's just easier than spending years bickering over what we can say, and we are very unlikely to reach any agreement. - [[User:NewCrusader|NewCrusader]]
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:Why do you suppose we might object, if we "can't" object? Can you figure out our motives? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 16:58, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
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:* Give up, huh? Okay, here's the answer, according to one public school teacher in Los Angeles: "If we talk about sex, I'll have to assign sex for homework"  [http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=2&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theclassicbrown.com%2FStacey%2520Brown%2Fstandanddeliver.htm&ei=gww3SLH0OaWuigGLk8i-CA&usg=AFQjCNG2Xp-MhfcATeIXfbINzfOxIOG9qA&sig2=2UHD3sF9-KZjV2yrbxJveQ] --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 14:26, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
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:: That's not really a relevant response.  Children learn about the nuclear fission reaction in science class, but they don't have to build a bomb for homework.  Again, I do understand you want all entries to be family-friendly, but surely question #1 in any youth's mind is "Where did I come from?"  It's the first 'big' question every child has, and all arrive at it some time.  Education behooves every encyclopedia to say ''something'' about sexual reproduction of human beings.  It's not 'dirty', it's not 'wrong', it's simply nature and how we all came to be here.  To ignore it is Victorian, and we know where that led.  [[User:EngelUmpocker|EngelUmpocker]] 14:39, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
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:::One final thought on this.  I would encourage you to take the view that if you '''don't''' offer your readership ''some'' kind of answer to 'The Big Question', they will go off-site and Lord knows there's no way you would want them typing 'sexual intercourse' into their browser to Google the info, is there?  You can easily imagine where they would end up.  Why not offer them correct and 'Conservapedia-appropriate' information that you are comfortable with instead of driving them away to find out about it at more salacious sources?    If you provide the information, you control how that is presented.  Not providing the information is simply encouraging searches at less 'trustable' sources.    [[User:EngelUmpocker|EngelUmpocker]] 15:25, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
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Are you saying that your motivation for expanding the current article is to educate children about where they come from? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 15:30, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
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:Yes, of course.  What else could have possibly understood?  [[User:EngelUmpocker|EngelUmpocker]] 15:32, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
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'''Sexual intercourse''' is the physical mechanism by which [[human beings]] [[reproduce]] and produce [[offspring]].  During sexual intercourse, the male's [[sperm]] can [[fertilise]] the female's [[egg]], shortly thereafter the mother becomes [[pregnancy|pregnant]], and the [[child]] forms in the [[womb]].
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I suggest the above for the content of this article.  I have removed the references to the body parts, in the interest of getting ''anything'' better than what is currently in this article.  The article is locked, so perhaps we can discuss this with the intent of putting this os something similar in here?  [[User:EngelUmpocker|EngelUmpocker]] 17:28, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
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:Or how about a link to [[Human reproduction]]? [[User:Vimescarrot|Vimescarrot]] 11:00, 26 May 2008 (EDT)
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"Human sexuality" doesn't exist as a category. I'd recommend "Sexuality" instead. [[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 17:24, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
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I'd also like to recommend you put this in the "Quotes" category, because it is a quote indeed. [[User:JonathanG|JonG]]<sup>[[User_talk:JonathanG|I am a beautiful trap]]</sup> 16:08, 29 June 2009 (EDT)

Latest revision as of 21:50, June 29, 2009

That's it?

You would think that a topic as complex as this would merit a bit more then a quote from Bill Bennett

DLerner

Yeah, but doesn't this perpetuate the slander that conservatives are afraid of sex? :) DLerner
Not so much perpetuate as confirm... to judge from many things I have seen on this service, I think conservatives *are* afraid of sex, or at least open acknowledgement of it. NewCrusader


Why is this page locked? And why is the only comment Bible-related? Either erase it and lock it or put something more on it. [The kids find out about it sometime, whether your encyclopedia wants them to or not...] FlightlessOstrich 16:50, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

I find it amusing that Osterich is one of the few users without his head in the sand. - NewCrusader

Surely even homeschoolers should know how babies are made. God created our bodies and created sex - what are these dumboes afraid of? Alberti 10:32, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

That's for their parents to deal with. - NewCrusader
Because they believe God made humanity, but He subcontracted out the pink bits to Satan. Or so they seem to act some times... --Gulik 17:12, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

Article needs expansion

While I understand that the project is desirous of a family-friendly encyclopedia, this article is patently ridiculous. And locked. Please add something benign, perhaps along the lines of:

Sexual intercourse is the mechanism by which human beings mate and produce offspring. The Penis enters the Vagina, the male's sperm fertilises the female's egg, and the child forms in the womb.

There can hardly be the slightest objection to something as simple as that, a matter-of-fact description for children of how we all came to be. EngelUmpocker 16:55, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

I anticipate plenty of objection. For a start, tell a child or young teenager how, and they might want to try it. It also means we have to make articles on mate, penis and virgina, tripling the contriversy. Here's an idea: Disappear the lot. Delete the page, prevent it ever being created again. Do the same for everything that deals with human sexuality. It's just easier than spending years bickering over what we can say, and we are very unlikely to reach any agreement. - NewCrusader
Why do you suppose we might object, if we "can't" object? Can you figure out our motives? --Ed Poor Talk 16:58, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
  • Give up, huh? Okay, here's the answer, according to one public school teacher in Los Angeles: "If we talk about sex, I'll have to assign sex for homework" [1] --Ed Poor Talk 14:26, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
That's not really a relevant response. Children learn about the nuclear fission reaction in science class, but they don't have to build a bomb for homework. Again, I do understand you want all entries to be family-friendly, but surely question #1 in any youth's mind is "Where did I come from?" It's the first 'big' question every child has, and all arrive at it some time. Education behooves every encyclopedia to say something about sexual reproduction of human beings. It's not 'dirty', it's not 'wrong', it's simply nature and how we all came to be here. To ignore it is Victorian, and we know where that led. EngelUmpocker 14:39, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
One final thought on this. I would encourage you to take the view that if you don't offer your readership some kind of answer to 'The Big Question', they will go off-site and Lord knows there's no way you would want them typing 'sexual intercourse' into their browser to Google the info, is there? You can easily imagine where they would end up. Why not offer them correct and 'Conservapedia-appropriate' information that you are comfortable with instead of driving them away to find out about it at more salacious sources? If you provide the information, you control how that is presented. Not providing the information is simply encouraging searches at less 'trustable' sources. EngelUmpocker 15:25, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

Are you saying that your motivation for expanding the current article is to educate children about where they come from? --Ed Poor Talk 15:30, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

Yes, of course. What else could have possibly understood? EngelUmpocker 15:32, 23 May 2008 (EDT)


New Proposed article contents

Sexual intercourse is the physical mechanism by which human beings reproduce and produce offspring. During sexual intercourse, the male's sperm can fertilise the female's egg, shortly thereafter the mother becomes pregnant, and the child forms in the womb.

I suggest the above for the content of this article. I have removed the references to the body parts, in the interest of getting anything better than what is currently in this article. The article is locked, so perhaps we can discuss this with the intent of putting this os something similar in here? EngelUmpocker 17:28, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

Or how about a link to Human reproduction? Vimescarrot 11:00, 26 May 2008 (EDT)


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"Human sexuality" doesn't exist as a category. I'd recommend "Sexuality" instead. Foxtrot 17:24, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

I'd also like to recommend you put this in the "Quotes" category, because it is a quote indeed. JonGI am a beautiful trap 16:08, 29 June 2009 (EDT)