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::::::::::::::: When I make the claim that relativity has nothing to do with electronics, it is to a first order approximation.  NASA/JPL engineers fly their space probes all around the solar system with a high degree of accuracy without resorting to Einstein's relativistic corrections to Newton's basic theory.  About the only place where relativity must be taken into account in electronics is the collating electromagnets at the CERN collider, where proton streams are accelerated to very close to the velocity of light. Otherwise the "slop" inherent in digital timing (you must wait for a signal to stabilize before accepting it as valid) buries the effects. [[User:RubyR|RubyR]] 16:35, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
 
::::::::::::::: When I make the claim that relativity has nothing to do with electronics, it is to a first order approximation.  NASA/JPL engineers fly their space probes all around the solar system with a high degree of accuracy without resorting to Einstein's relativistic corrections to Newton's basic theory.  About the only place where relativity must be taken into account in electronics is the collating electromagnets at the CERN collider, where proton streams are accelerated to very close to the velocity of light. Otherwise the "slop" inherent in digital timing (you must wait for a signal to stabilize before accepting it as valid) buries the effects. [[User:RubyR|RubyR]] 16:35, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
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::::::::::::::::: Magnetism is a relativistic effect. If you are using magnetism, you are using relativity. If you deny relativity, then what is magnetism? [[User:RSchlafly|RSchlafly]] 16:48, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
    
This discussion has degenerated in Andy arguing points that are not in the article. I suggest fixing these errors:
 
This discussion has degenerated in Andy arguing points that are not in the article. I suggest fixing these errors:
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Unlike most of physics, the theories of relativity consist of complex mathematical equations relying on several hypotheses. - WRONG.
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:Unlike most of physics, the theories of relativity consist of complex mathematical equations relying on several hypotheses. - WRONG.
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These equations assume that it is forever impossible to attain a velocity faster than the speed of light, a hypothesis that can never be fully tested. - No, the equation show increased inertia as the speed of light is approached, something that has been experimentally verified for a century.
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:These equations assume that it is forever impossible to attain a velocity faster than the speed of light, a hypothesis that can never be fully tested. - No, the equation show increased inertia as the speed of light is approached, something that has been experimentally verified for a century.
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By relying on assumptions about nature rather than observations, ... - No, SR relies essentially on electromagnetic observations.
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:By relying on assumptions about nature rather than observations, ... - No, SR relies essentially on electromagnetic observations.
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Relativity rejects Newton's action at a distance, which is basic to Newtonian gravity and quantum mechanics. - No, only to some interpretations of QM.
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:Relativity rejects Newton's action at a distance, which is basic to Newtonian gravity and quantum mechanics. - No, only to some interpretations of QM.
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The mathematics of relativity assume no exceptions, yet in the time period immediately following the origin of the universe the relativity equations could not possibly have been valid. - Nonsense. What is the source for this silly statement?
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:The mathematics of relativity assume no exceptions, yet in the time period immediately following the origin of the universe the relativity equations could not possibly have been valid. - Nonsense. What is the source for this silly statement?
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Relativity has been met with much resistance in the scientific world. - No reputable physicist in the last century has failed to accept relativity.
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:Relativity has been met with much resistance in the scientific world. - No reputable physicist in the last century has failed to accept relativity.
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To date, a Nobel Prize has never been awarded for relativity. - Prize were given indirectly for relativity in 1902, 1921, 1933, 1993. Plus the QFT prizes already listed: 1965,1967,1968,1972,1979,1980,1982,1984,1988,1990,1995,1999,2004,2008
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:To date, a Nobel Prize has never been awarded for relativity. - Prize were given indirectly for relativity in 1902, 1921, 1933, 1993. Plus the QFT prizes already listed: 1965,1967,1968,1972,1979,1980,1982,1984,1988,1990,1995,1999,2004,2008
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Louis Essen, the man credited with determining the speed of light, wrote many fiery papers against it such as The Special Theory of Relativity: A Critical Analysis.[5] - He is a kook.
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:Louis Essen, the man credited with determining the speed of light, wrote many fiery papers against it such as The Special Theory of Relativity: A Critical Analysis.[5] - He is a kook.
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Relativity also gravely conflicts with quantum mechanics, and although theories like string theory and quantum field theory have attempted to unify relativity and quantum mechanics, neither has been entirely successful or proven. - No, there is no known conflict. [[User:RSchlafly|RSchlafly]] 15:56, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
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:Relativity also gravely conflicts with quantum mechanics, and although theories like string theory and quantum field theory have attempted to unify relativity and quantum mechanics, neither has been entirely successful or proven. - No, there is no known conflict. [[User:RSchlafly|RSchlafly]] 15:56, 16 October 2009 (EDT)