Talk:Gulf of Mexico oil spill

It is high time Obama care about the environment like the Republicans do and end unsafe offshore drilling once and for all. JohnLeDeux 21:26, 10 May 2010 (EDT)

Marc Antony said that Cesar was ambitious

This statement is factual correct. But it makes the knowledgeable laugh, and it misleads those who don't have any further knowledge of Julius Cesar.

Reading such a statement in an encyclopedia where you expect truthful entries is confusing at best, deceitful at worst. If I read this sentence in a wiki, I would think that someone made a bad joke and revert it.

Why? Because, though Marc Antony uttered these words (at least in Shakespeare's work), he was just quoting Brute. It wasn't his own opinion. How do we know this? By reading the rest of the great speech. So, he quoted words which stated the opposite of what he thought.

Now, I read: Nobel Laurette [sic] in Economics, Dr. Paul Krugman, who has been highly critical of Obama economic policy wrote in his regular New York Times opinion column, Conscience of a Liberal, "The oil spill is Obama's fault."

The reader of this line is lead to believe that Paul Krugman thinks that the oil spill is Obama's fault. But is this the case? Obviously not, as Krugman goes on: No, I haven’t lost my mind — that’s not what I believe. But you know that’s what the talk-show hosts will be saying soon, if they haven’t already started. The only question is what the story will be.

So, Krugman is quoting some - though only imagined - talk-show hosts. And omitting this in the article is au par with stating Marc Antony said that Cesar was ambitious - misleading at best, deceitful at worst, ridiculous to those who read Krugman's column.

FrankC aka ComedyFan 10:35, 11 May 2010 (EDT)

So Krugman was saying "I told you so" for not listening to him and distancing himself further from Obama apologists? Rob Smith 13:11, 11 May 2010 (EDT)

Paul Krugman states the the claim "The oil spill is Obama's fault" is not his opinion, so, he thinks that such a claim is wrong. It's beyond me how this can be accidently misinterpreted.

FrankC aka ComedyFan 07:52, 12 May 2010 (EDT)

So in Krugman's regular Opinion Column published on the Opinion page where Krugman says the oil spill is Obama's fault is not his opinion. ooookayyyyy..... Rob Smith 12:02, 15 May 2010 (EDT)

I think what FrankC is saying is trying to say is that, despite the title, the article is not Krugman accusing Obama.DrRaymondL 14:50, 15 May 2010 (EDT)

Oh, you mean the New York Times is not a Reliable Source? Rob Smith

I see that RobSmith has readded the Krugman blurb despite being shown that Krugman does not believe that the Oil Spill is Obama's fault. Prior revisions were reworded to show the actual context of the article but RobSmith reverted that also. Can we get a final ruling from perhaps Mr. Schlafly on this because this is just plain deceitful. I don't even see why Krugman's opinion is even relevant considering the plethora of evidence in the article that shows Obama's poor response.ameda 19:42, 15 May 2010 (EDT)

This has been an ongoing battle between Obama & Krugman before Obama was even elected. See Obama attacking Krugman's credibility for example with a link to the source at barackobama.com, "trashing the credibility of Paul Krugman." There's stuff on the White House webserver as well. It's all typical liberal doublespeak; who knows what any of it means replete with the blame-rush-limbaugh claptrap. Facts are, Krugman wrote in the NYT it's Obama's fault. Even that measures up to WP's reliable source & verifiability standards. We know that, they're employing those same standards in its Conservapedia entry at this very moment. Rob Smith 20:20, 15 May 2010 (EDT)

No one is saying you're wrong about Krugman arguing with Obama, just that in that article he does not blame Obama for the spill. On the contrary, he believes the opposite. To make a metaphor, using the article in this way would be the equivalent of saying a patriot quoting a terrorist who said "America is evil" hates America also. RaymondP 20:29, 15 May 2010 (EDT)

According to the website Environmental Economics, Krugman was correct. Rob Smith 20:46, 15 May 2010 (EDT)

In that article I believe they are saying that Krugman's points which he said he disagreed with are correct. Please read Krugman's actual article: he is not saying it is Obama's fault, so bringing up his article in this is deceitful!RaymondP 21:14, 15 May 2010 (EDT)

The points have been made, I tried my hand at correcting it but RobSmith seems to want it and since he is an admin. I suggest we defer to him for now and either let it stand or get the opinions of other admins. This page is quickly going to be nothing but talk, back and forth, back and forth, repeating the same stuff with nothing new or productive. ameda 21:25, 15 May 2010 (EDT)