Difference between revisions of "Debate:Is the Iraq War a success?"

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:::Eternal War for Eternal Peace!  (Thank you, George Orwell.) --[[User:BDobbs|BDobbs]] 18:12, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
 
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::::To truly stop war in the Middle East and in other Third World nations, requires a twofold solution. You basically need to solve the 2 parts of the problems. First, and foremost, the advanced industrialized nations of the world need to move away from an economic strategy that exploits the resources, labor, and markets of the Third World nations. Current economics relies on conditions in the lesser developed countries staying the same. If the Third World is allowed to develop, we will see a decrease in the standards of living in the US and other First World countries. Secondly, we need to see development in the Third World. Part of what makes the dictator's life so easy is that the nations are politically and economically in their infancy. The economic conditions breed discontent and instability. The weak governments are unable to control the populous, so dictators rise to power and force stability through marshal law. By improving the political structure and economic system, the need for dictators lessens. Finally, we need to actually find a way to physically remove the current dictators from power. This can be accomplished by either a coup by the people or a military action by another country. However, military action by another country has to be  careful to not make the same mistakes the US has made in nation building.--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 18:47, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

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No

We lose dozens of troops a month, there are bombings every day, over 60,000 Iraqi civilians are dead, a brutal dictator has been replaced by fantatical warring factions, and nothing seems to be changing (we've lost a higher percentace of US troops in 2007 than in any other year since the invasion (www.icasualties.org)). The rebuilding of the infastructure has failed, the US military is stretched to the limits, and it's unpopular at home (www.pollingreport.com). I say bring the boys (and girls) home! Czolgolz 11:45, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

It was never going to be a successful war. I doubt even calling it a war. The US is a utter failure when it comes to nation building. Always remember that a government never goes to war for the reasons that they state. "Liberating the people of Iraq" is just a philanthropy. There are more real reasons to go to war with Iraq. A US controlled Iraq provides a stable source of oil for the US and more importantly, can act as a valuable staging point for a bigger war with Iran. Its much easier to keep the supply lines from Iraq to Iran than from the US to Iran.--Elamdri 12:12, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

The entire "War on Terror" is a farce meant to advance the conservative agenda and enrich the political leaders who started it.Rebiu 15:09, 30 March 2007 (EDT)


Yes

Well, it's not going to be easy - but we've got rid of a dictator.--bill m 12:07, 29 March 2007 (EDT) 14:28, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
There are worse things than a dictator as this war has shownRebiu 15:11, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

One dictator down...and...what? two or three dozen to go? Czolgolz 23:05, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

You have to start somewhere. If you don't begin you can never finish.--bill m 12:07, 29 March 2007 (EDT) 05:52, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
At this rate America and with this leadership I doubt America could survive to the finishRebiu 09:53, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
Its not a matter of surviving so much as it is finishing. America's attitude breeds dictators in the periphery, and then we have to go in and remove them, and it all starts over again.--Elamdri 08:34, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
Eternal War for Eternal Peace! (Thank you, George Orwell.) --BDobbs 18:12, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
To truly stop war in the Middle East and in other Third World nations, requires a twofold solution. You basically need to solve the 2 parts of the problems. First, and foremost, the advanced industrialized nations of the world need to move away from an economic strategy that exploits the resources, labor, and markets of the Third World nations. Current economics relies on conditions in the lesser developed countries staying the same. If the Third World is allowed to develop, we will see a decrease in the standards of living in the US and other First World countries. Secondly, we need to see development in the Third World. Part of what makes the dictator's life so easy is that the nations are politically and economically in their infancy. The economic conditions breed discontent and instability. The weak governments are unable to control the populous, so dictators rise to power and force stability through marshal law. By improving the political structure and economic system, the need for dictators lessens. Finally, we need to actually find a way to physically remove the current dictators from power. This can be accomplished by either a coup by the people or a military action by another country. However, military action by another country has to be careful to not make the same mistakes the US has made in nation building.--Elamdri 18:47, 1 April 2007 (EDT)