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| | Ian St John, just a question. How long does it take for a glacier to form? Could enough snow form the glaciers in a 700 timeframe and provide landscape changes like the great lakes?--[[User:Tims|TimS]] 11:23, 15 May 2007 (EDT) | | Ian St John, just a question. How long does it take for a glacier to form? Could enough snow form the glaciers in a 700 timeframe and provide landscape changes like the great lakes?--[[User:Tims|TimS]] 11:23, 15 May 2007 (EDT) |
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| | I rolled back the edit of the correct statement that supporters of evolution and an old earth were the first to propose a (massive) Ice Age. That is factually true and should not be deleted. I'll find a reference.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 18:27, 14 May 2007 (EDT) | | I rolled back the edit of the correct statement that supporters of evolution and an old earth were the first to propose a (massive) Ice Age. That is factually true and should not be deleted. I'll find a reference.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 18:27, 14 May 2007 (EDT) |
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| | ::Ian St John is correct. The Ice Age was first promoted by Louis Agassiz, anti-evolutionist. I've changed the articles accordingly, including putting in a couple of references. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 07:57, 15 May 2007 (EDT) | | ::Ian St John is correct. The Ice Age was first promoted by Louis Agassiz, anti-evolutionist. I've changed the articles accordingly, including putting in a couple of references. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 07:57, 15 May 2007 (EDT) |
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| | + | ==Ice ages and the Greenhouse Theory of global warming== |
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| | + | The irony is that evolution supporters always like to talk about the way the evidence leans, and yet they ignore the natural causes of cold and warm periods in geological history. Man did not cause the ice ages, nor did he cause the interglacial periods between them. |
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| | + | Atmospheric temperature and "greenhouse gases" are indeed related, but the causality is the reverse of what Greenhouse Theory advocates say. Changes in the concentration of [[carbon dioxide]] in the air did not cause the warming and cooling. It was just the other way around: warming and cooling caused changes in CO2 levels. It takes about 800 years for the CO2 to increase after a period of [[global warming]], an inconvenient fact that [[Al Gore]] decided to leave out of his road show. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 13:42, 12 November 2008 (EST) |
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| | + | ==Ice ages and Creationism== |
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| | + | I don't want to step on any toes, but I think that the bulk of scientific investigation on "ice ages" posits that (1) the earth is thousands of millions of years old and (2) there is evidence of glaciers coming down from the North Pole through North America and (3) long periods of cold weather are associated with the spread of this ice and (4) there were "[[interglacial]]" periods of temperate weather. |
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| | + | I also gather that there is some disagreement in the [[Creation Science]] community about the timing of ice ages. While most scientists say the cycles of cooling and warming occurred over a many tens of thousands of years, young earth creationists posit an earth created much more recently (less than 10,000 years ago). |
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| | + | I'd like to be able to write about this in a way that gives respect to the (various?) creationist views while also accurately reporting the mainstream science. |
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| | + | We don't want to censor "non-conservative" views, but I don't suppose we want to endorse atheistic views either. So please, somebody, help me find a balance here. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 10:48, 22 February 2011 (EST) |
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| | + | :It's fine to present the atheistic view, but I'd include when it began and why. Having grown up along the Mississippi River, I know that one motivation for the atheistic Ice Age theory is to explain the existence of the Great Lakes and the bluffs along the Mississippi River. One problem: often the bluffs face ''southward'', the opposite direction expected if ice carved them.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 11:14, 22 February 2011 (EST) |
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