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:: After his death, the armed forces agreed to sign an unconditional surrender ...
:: After his death, the armed forces agreed to sign an unconditional surrender ...
Or something similar to that effect, without giving names. Jodl, Keitel, and Doenitz are not too important. That they signed was. [[User:Order|Order]] 5 April, 2:10 AEST
Or something similar to that effect, without giving names. Jodl, Keitel, and Doenitz are not too important. That they signed was. [[User:Order|Order]] 5 April, 2:10 AEST
:::Agreed. Yes, the point to be made doesn't need to bloat this article.
:::There is something however I'd like to raise regarding this incident that needs to be included whereever it ultimatley finds a home in Conservapedia. And I know I am about to say something controversial--criticism of the Nuremberg Tribunal. But enough time has elapsed, and what happened there '''''did''''' set a precedent that we felt as recently as 2003. And to further disclaim what I'm about to say, yes, the judges and prosecutors perhaps were justified in doing what they did to Doenitz at Nuremberg, given public pressures at the time, but it nonetheless had unfrotunate reverberating consequences.
:::Clearly Doenitz did exactly the opposite of what Hitler appointed him to do, he facilitated the surrender, and spared the contiuous spilling of needless blood. It was a case of military man called upon without any prior consultation to perform a politcal action, and retrospectively, he performed heroically. Now, why this is an issue, let's examine a basic theory of war and how it has been applied in three wars, WWI, WWII, and the Iraqi War of 2003.
:::Clauewitz says (Book I, Ch. I, Sec. 4) the ultimate [http://www.clausewitz.com/CWZHOME/VomKriege2/BK1ch01.html "aim is to disarm the enemy"]; on the NSDAP page we have,
:::''Adolf Hitler exploited the myth of the “Stab in the Back",''[http://www.conservapedia.com/National_Socialist_German_Workers_Party] and on the Hitler page we have this,
:::''The German military had felt it had not been defeated, indeed the German Army stood on foreign soil when the Armistice was signed November 11, 1918 and not a square inch of German soul had been occupied. The Army felt they had done their job, and the nation had been "stabbed in the back'' [http://www.conservapedia.com/Adolf_Hitler#The_Beginning_Of_His_Political_Life]
:::In other words with the signing of the Armistice, 11 November 1918, the German military '''''had not been disarmed''''' giving birth to the myth of the "stab in the back", or "big lie" as Hitker called, that Germany had been defeated. Having not beeen disarmed on the battlefield in 1918, and the troops remaining in paramilitary groups like Rohm's, the German miltiary lived to fight another day. In 1945 however, no chances were taken, and this time the German miltiary was absolutely and thoroughly defeated, and disarmed, on the battlefield. And what did Doenitz get for his part? Tried as a Nazi and sentenced to 10 years.
:::Professional military officers the world over have always taken note of this, and in 2003, after Saddam's command and control was decapitated, no one stepped forward to urge the troops to lay down thier weapons and give up the fight. They all ran away. Iraq needed an Iraqi version of Doentiz to encourage the troops to give up resistance and stop needless bloodshed, but professional commanders remember what happened to Doenitz. Iraq had universal military service under Saddam--all insurgents today recieved training under Saddam--but not having been fully disarmed in 2003, they have survived to fight another day. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 12:46, 4 April 2007 (EDT)
== Final solution/holocaust is all mixed up ==
== Final solution/holocaust is all mixed up ==