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Do such remarks mean "opposed to homosexuality" (possibly on principled grounds, such as "It's against my religion"?) Using the term ''homophobic'' implies that the speaker literally has a [[phobia]], i.e., that they have a [[mental illness]]. It's a form of [[ad hominem]] argument, intended to take attention off the argument and focus all attention on how "crazy" or "unfair" a person is being. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 14:40, 14 June 2011 (EDT) | Do such remarks mean "opposed to homosexuality" (possibly on principled grounds, such as "It's against my religion"?) Using the term ''homophobic'' implies that the speaker literally has a [[phobia]], i.e., that they have a [[mental illness]]. It's a form of [[ad hominem]] argument, intended to take attention off the argument and focus all attention on how "crazy" or "unfair" a person is being. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 14:40, 14 June 2011 (EDT) | ||
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| + | :so there is an important difference between threatening infanticide if a child "said he was gay" and threatening infanticide if one "finds out" that he's gay? As a comedian, is Morgan being funnier with one of those options as opposed to the other? What if he took out "gay" and replaced it with "Jewish," "Christian," or "member of the Unification Church." Is it still good comedy? [[User:ReneH|ReneH]] 14:44, 14 June 2011 (EDT) | ||
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I have to question the reference (not its inclusion in the article). Morgan uses the "n" word and it is deemed acceptable(-ish) because he is black. Gay comedians make jokes about them selves all the time. There is a single standard: if you are a part of a certain group, you are allowed to mock the group in question but are open to criticism should some believe your jokes encourage negative stereotypes.--CamilleT 14:34, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
- I think the main reason an apology was demanded was because he questioned the central dogma of gay rights: that homosexuals are "born that way" and that choices have nothing to do with it. You might take a look at the controversy of reparative therapy, which is for adults who want help dealing with unwanted same-sex attraction. --Ed Poor Talk 14:42, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
Exact wording
There's a difference between "finding out that your son is a homosexual" and "if he said he was gay". Also, the context was the son supposedly using a high-pitched (effeminate) voice to make the announcement.
Moreover, the exact words used to talk about homosexuality are crucially important. Many words are employed by homosexuals and/or gay agenda supporters in a deliberately misleading way, starting with words like "homophobia" and "homophobic". It has become difficult to distinguish what someone means when he calls remarks "anti-gay".
Do such remarks mean "opposed to homosexuality" (possibly on principled grounds, such as "It's against my religion"?) Using the term homophobic implies that the speaker literally has a phobia, i.e., that they have a mental illness. It's a form of ad hominem argument, intended to take attention off the argument and focus all attention on how "crazy" or "unfair" a person is being. --Ed Poor Talk 14:40, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
- so there is an important difference between threatening infanticide if a child "said he was gay" and threatening infanticide if one "finds out" that he's gay? As a comedian, is Morgan being funnier with one of those options as opposed to the other? What if he took out "gay" and replaced it with "Jewish," "Christian," or "member of the Unification Church." Is it still good comedy? ReneH 14:44, 14 June 2011 (EDT)