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==Obama==
'There are claims that president Barack Obama is a Muslim. If true, this would be a massive deception of the American public. See the evidence on his biography page.' Having looked at his 'Religious Affliations' section on his page, I can't find anywhere him suggesting he's not a Muslim. Now, I'm not going to make a judgement on what his religion is, but being a Muslim isn't deceit. If he did claim to be Christian, Jewish, Hindu etc, then I think that should be made clearer. User: TedMoult
==Examples==
==Examples==
:Unfortunately, many examples of deceit are so widespread that there is no consensus that they ARE deceit. For example, Conservapedia recognizes global warming as deception, but the mainstream media, and a significant portion of the American public, don't realize it. Similarly, just because some people think Obama is not a muslim, doesn't mean we should cave to their liberal pressure. Given the evidence for Obama being a muslim, I think it certainly belongs here. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 20:25, 28 November 2009 (EST)
:Unfortunately, many examples of deceit are so widespread that there is no consensus that they ARE deceit. For example, Conservapedia recognizes global warming as deception, but the mainstream media, and a significant portion of the American public, don't realize it. Similarly, just because some people think Obama is not a muslim, doesn't mean we should cave to their liberal pressure. Given the evidence for Obama being a muslim, I think it certainly belongs here. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 20:25, 28 November 2009 (EST)
Jacob,
::Jacob,
::To take your example of global warming, yes, I agree that global warming is a gigantic deception. However, the purpose of this page is not to expose specific examples of deception. We can do that quite effectively on our global-warming page. The purpose of this page is to give the reader a clear idea of what deception is. It is therefore counter-productive to give examples of deception that the reader will quite possibly/probably disagree with. The same applies to Obama. We have quite thoroughly alleged that he is a Muslim on our Obama page. However, that ought not be our purpose on this page. Our purpose is to illustrate the concept of deceit, and that is best done with widely recognized examples. --[[User:BenjaminS|Ben]] <sub>[[User Talk:BenjaminS|Talk]]</sub> 20:35, 28 November 2009 (EST)
:::You make an excellent point. I think the "if true" qualifier should cover this. If a user reads this page who believes Obama is a Christian, surely they can still agree that if he was a muslim claiming to be Christian, this would constitute an enormous deceit. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 20:38, 28 November 2009 (EST)
::::While what you say is true, doesn't the "if true" qualifier make this statement meaningless. I could say "There are those who believe the country is run by aliens. If true, this would be a huge example of deception." Well....duh. I just said something that is true, but it was a meaningless statement. --[[User:PAZda09|PAZda09]] 21:25, 3 March 2010 (EST)
==Slander==
I think examples 17 and 18 should be moved our [[Slander]] page. They are poor examples of deceit, and good examples of slander. --[[User:BenjaminS|Ben]] <sub>[[User Talk:BenjaminS|Talk]]</sub> 20:50, 12 December 2009 (EST)
== Deceit of public schools ==
Mr. Schlafly made [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Essay:Best_New_Conservative_Words&diff=prev&oldid=731939 this] comment the other day. Might this be a good example of liberal deceit? The liberals in charge of the public schools deceive Americans by pretending that they are educating students, when in fact they are pushing a liberal agenda. Maybe someone else can word it more eloquently that I could? [[User:TobyG|TobyG]] 13:49, 15 December 2009 (EST)
== Reversion explained ==
I appreciate the liberal desire to find some comparable conservative examples, but any additions must be '''comparable''' in significance to the existing ones, and not simply a "tit for tat." There is no reason to expect perfect symmetry by liberals and conservatives with respect to deceit.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:10, 27 December 2009 (EST)
== Number 6 ==
Website cited for Biden example (www.famousplagiarists.com) does not exist. [[User:ArthurFredrickson|ArthurFredrickson]] 20:50, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
:I found a link - wasn't hard. What's with all red coding though? [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 20:54, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
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