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==Obama==
'There are claims that president Barack Obama is a Muslim. If true, this would be a massive deception of the American public. See the evidence on his biography page.' Having looked at his 'Religious Affliations' section on his page, I can't find anywhere him suggesting he's not a Muslim. Now, I'm not going to make a judgement on what his religion is, but being a Muslim isn't deceit. If he did claim to be Christian, Jewish, Hindu etc, then I think that should be made clearer. User: TedMoult
==Examples==
==Examples==
I'm afraid I have to correct you. In many public school systems, because of pressure from Conservative lobbies, parents' groups, and churches, students are not permitted to learn anything BUT absolute "right and wrong" morality. State textbook guidelines in some of the largest markets (Texas and California) mandate that stories in primary school readers are not permitted to portray children "in conflict with adults"<ref>http://www.randomhouse.com/knopf/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780375414824</ref>, facing "complicated moral problems", or issues "without a clear right or wrong answer". Liberal pressure groups insist that these lessons are presented secularly; the result (Diane Ravitch argues in the book that this post references) is a bland, Bowdlerized reading curriculum that young people find unrealistic and boring, but politically correct to suit both Liberal and Conservative censorists.
I'm afraid I have to correct you. In many public school systems, because of pressure from Conservative lobbies, parents' groups, and churches, students are not permitted to learn anything BUT absolute "right and wrong" morality. State textbook guidelines in some of the largest markets (Texas and California) mandate that stories in primary school readers are not permitted to portray children "in conflict with adults"<ref>http://www.randomhouse.com/knopf/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780375414824</ref>, facing "complicated moral problems", or issues "without a clear right or wrong answer". Liberal pressure groups insist that these lessons are presented secularly; the result (Diane Ravitch argues in the book that this post references) is a bland, Bowdlerized reading curriculum that young people find unrealistic and boring, but politically correct to suit both Liberal and Conservative censorists.
==Clinton==
==Clinton==
:::You make an excellent point. I think the "if true" qualifier should cover this. If a user reads this page who believes Obama is a Christian, surely they can still agree that if he was a muslim claiming to be Christian, this would constitute an enormous deceit. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 20:38, 28 November 2009 (EST)
:::You make an excellent point. I think the "if true" qualifier should cover this. If a user reads this page who believes Obama is a Christian, surely they can still agree that if he was a muslim claiming to be Christian, this would constitute an enormous deceit. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 20:38, 28 November 2009 (EST)
::::While what you say is true, doesn't the "if true" qualifier make this statement meaningless. I could say "There are those who believe the country is run by aliens. If true, this would be a huge example of deception." Well....duh. I just said something that is true, but it was a meaningless statement. --[[User:PAZda09|PAZda09]] 21:25, 3 March 2010 (EST)
==Slander==
==Slander==
I appreciate the liberal desire to find some comparable conservative examples, but any additions must be '''comparable''' in significance to the existing ones, and not simply a "tit for tat." There is no reason to expect perfect symmetry by liberals and conservatives with respect to deceit.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:10, 27 December 2009 (EST)
I appreciate the liberal desire to find some comparable conservative examples, but any additions must be '''comparable''' in significance to the existing ones, and not simply a "tit for tat." There is no reason to expect perfect symmetry by liberals and conservatives with respect to deceit.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:10, 27 December 2009 (EST)
== Number 6 ==
Website cited for Biden example (www.famousplagiarists.com) does not exist. [[User:ArthurFredrickson|ArthurFredrickson]] 20:50, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
:I found a link - wasn't hard. What's with all red coding though? [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 20:54, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
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