Talk:Zach Johnson

Prominent?

He is prominent among a new generation of Christian athletes - Where is this information from? Who else is on this list of prominent Christian athletes? Seems like an opinion/gossip line to me. Jrssr5 15:37, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

Well, it doesn't to me, or to Andy. He is the winner of the Masters, therefore he is prominent. --~ TK ^MyTalk 15:53, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

How is it evidence of a "new generation"? There is nothing in the link to support that claim. --Cgday 16:40, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

It certainly shows that the idea of a new generation of Christian athletes exists.

WhatIsG0ing0n 16:41, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

:: it shows a individual has faith - it's says nothing at all about a generational trend. --Cgday 16:43, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

• Well, I am sorry if you don't agree about what is self-evident. --~ TK ^MyTalk 16:42, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

The point of an ecylopedia is not that something is "self-evident" but that well-sourced reference can be made for a claim. --Cgday 16:43, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

• So, you can talk, but cannot look, and find the source? You like to edit, but not "do"? Or are you perhaps just a "concerned" citizen being vigilant? --~ TK ^MyTalk 16:47, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

Who's going to look for a cite that they cannot add to the article because it's been protected? Cracker_talk 16:53, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

• Well, I certainly don't expect you to, Rob, even though it has been explained many times, users can slap the copy they want to add here, on the talk page. But that isn't "good enough", I understand. In the meantime, I added the citation. ;-) Another non-issue made into a "issue". People have time to carp and complain, yet little time to actually create articles, that I do understand. The whole point is, if someone can take the time to add copy, and add templates, they should also have the time to do a simple web search for the missing citation. As I hastily created the article, Andy and Hoji were each adding citations and checking it. I am sorry it wasn't up to someones expectations. I tried many times to resolve this locking issue, but people just switched the channel rather than try to accomodate another point of view. So be it. User "Conservative" has the right idea about dealing with "complainers", IMO. --~ TK ^MyTalk 17:22, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

Copying

The section of this article labeled “2007 Masters Tournament” seems to be in violation of the rules of Conservapedia. It is largely copied form the Des Moines Register article on the event (some sections nearly word for word) and yet the page only labels the Register article as one of the “References”. The register article is here .

A comparison of the text of the register article shows that several passages were take as direct quotes or as such a close paraphrase that a direct reference should be given not just a small hypertext link along with a number of other articles giving the false impression that these words are the synthesis of a number of sources rather than a cut and paste.

Register:

Johnson, the 31-year-old son of a Cedar Rapids chiropractor, showed a practitioner’s patience — at least on the surface — through difficult conditions over three rounds and today.

Conservapedia article as of 5:30 pm EST 4/9:

Johnson, the 31-year-old son of a Cedar Rapids chiropractor, showed a practitioner’s patience — at least on the surface — through difficult conditions throughout the four rounds of play.

Register:

No player from Iowa had finished in the top 10 of a Masters, with the highest finish being a tie for 11th by Davenport’s Jack Fleck in 1962.

Fleck is the only other Iowan to win a major championship, beating Ben Hogan in an 18-hold playoff at the 1955 U.S. Open.

Conservapedia article as of 5:30 pm EST 4/9:

No player from Iowa had finished in the top 10 of a Masters, with the highest finish being a tie for 11th by Davenport’s Jack Fleck in 1962. Fleck is the only other Iowan to win a major championship, beating Ben Hogan in an 18-hold playoff at the 1955 U.S. Open.

Register:

"This is very surreal — very, very surreal," Johnson said.

Johnson said with a cracking voice as he talked with CBS near the 18th green that the victory meant even more on Easter, as he credited Jesus and his late grandfather for helping him steel nerves.

Conservapedia article as of 5:30 pm EST 4/9:

"This is very surreal — very, very surreal," Johnson said with a cracking voice as he talked with reporters near the 18th green that the victory meant even more on Easter, as he credited Jesus and his late grandfather for helping him steel nerves.

Someone who can edit this article ought to change it quickly, especially as it is liked from the front page. --Reginod 17:41, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

• I will be happy to unlock it, if you mean to "repair" it, Reginod. Otherwise, I would inform you that direct copying is not against our rules, and we do not insist that contributors para-phrase and distill everything into original copy. For a short article like this, one could only use so many words to distill into ones own words, eh? So do you wish to repair it? --~ TK ^MyTalk 17:53, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

em.. forget your rules, you do know it's against the law to steal someone's copyright material without permission? --Cgday 17:54, 9 April 2007 (EDT)